John efloortrade Moore is John central florida wealth Moore!!! WARNING!!!
"WASH - RINSE - REPEAT" is John Moore's motto
Finally FICE, or the Florida office of Financial Regulations has finished a 1000 page report on what up until now were only alleged charges of fraud and account churning at Orlando Fl. broker efloortrade the report not published publicly can be obtained from FICE by writing to this address with a request to:
Rui Gonçalves
FICE, Investigations
Florida Office of Financial Regulation
400 West Robinson Street, Ste, S-225
Orlando, FL 32801
Office: (407) 245-0658
Email: Rui.Goncalves@flofr.com

Lets put these mothers of financial fraud where they belong

John Efloortrade Moore ran a ponzi and ripped off clients at his firm, efloortade and now starts a brand new scam called Central Florida Wealth...Run by none other than John efloortrade Moore. WARNING DUE DILIGENCE WARNING

Efloortrade is now Central Florida Wealth. Run By John Moore......DO DUE DILIGENCE

Finally FICE, or the Florida office of Financial Regulations has finished a 1000 page report on what up until now were only alleged charges of fraud and account churning at Orlando Fl. broker efloortrade the report not published publicly can be obtained from FICE by writing to this address with a request to:
Rui Gonçalves
FICE, Investigations
Florida Office of Financial Regulation
400 West Robinson Street, Ste, S-225
Orlando, FL 32801
Office: (407) 245-0658
Email: Rui.Goncalves@flofr.com

Lets put these mothers of financial fraud where they belong

John efloortrade Moore is suing a customer who publicly complained about lies, deceptive business practices, account churning and fraud at efloortrade. This is the same guy who was previously involved in a Ponzi scheme run from the efloortrade branch office by his branch manager Randall Meisner, who's sitting in a federal prison as of this date. It's all about these phony take all your money automatic commodity trading systems like CTI and tradethink.com

from the efloortrade google searches it appears efloortrade has gone to great lengths and has been granted an ex/parte injunction (chillingeffects.org) to remove what they claim are defamatory or slanderous internet posts. This is a method some attorneys use to remove posts for there guilty clients. This can keep the public ignorant and expose them to possible criminal activity. (Ex/parte) means the injunction was granted without giving the defendants any chance to prove what they say is true. From the research it looks like efloortrade has a tendency to be directly or indirectly involved with criminal activities. If i was efloortrade or John Moore i would need to cover my butt with a cease and desist injunction too. Criminals get way too much protection from our civil and criminal justice system.

I have also been defrauded, churned and lied to by J. and C.M. of efloortrade. John Moore's old buddy and branch manager Randall Meisner is receiving his checks like clockwork in exchange for keeping silent about what John Moore really knew about the Ponzi being run right under his nose, and only feet away. I think a PERP walk with the FBI is needed for the whole Moore family.

I have done the search and the research. I can find not one false statement regarding efloortrade and it's connection to a ponzi scheme involving defendants John Moore and his Branch Manager Randall Meisner. I refer to http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-flsb-9_ ... -ap-03113-0.pdf I also refer to  http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=I ... LWAR3-2007-CURR
These guy are everything thats been said and more.

In your post you mentioned CTI and it's connection to a brokerage in Orlando named efloortrade. Due diligence and a simple search for efloortrade or John Moore says it all

Well, "we" think that LML sounds like another pissed off member of the general public annoyed at phone harassment by parasitic bottom-feeding scumbags who deserve to be in prison (again, in most cases, lol).

Incidentally, "we" also think that you're one of those parasitic bottom-feeder scumbags because otherwise it makes absolutely no sense for you to have made that weaselly little post (no offense intended towards weasels). Do***ebag.

Well I got an air horn and I can and do use it regularly on unsolicited callers. I don't care if they listen so long as they hear it, lol. I'd love for the police to show up and make a big deal about my using a horn as it would be a PR fiasco for the scammers since so many people would wonder why there's time and resources to come get a regular citizen fed up with telescammer harassment but none to stop the scammers from calling in the first place. So bring it on! Oh and you're a do***ebag.

And this thread is mostly mucked-up by a bunch of thinly-veiled spam for that sick bunch of narcissistic bottom-feeders. I hope they all die ASAP.

5-25-2012   UsCommody Futures Trading Commission  release : PR6266-12

CFTC charges CTI group,LLC, Cooper Trading, Stephens Craig Symons, and James Daivd Kline, all of California, with an $ 11 Million Fraud in the sale of Automated Trading Systems.
Federal court issues emergency order freezing defendants' assetts and protecting books and records.
CFTC has established a special toll-free call-in number  for CTI's clients to leave messages for the CFTC's Division of Enforcement.

Are you saying that the 35% profit you made was enough to cover the $6000 fee to buy into the system and some profit ??

Oh ... and here is the information that he provided to me regarding his website.

http://www.autofuturestrading.com/
Phone: 323-348-4766

And here is a page on their "Trading Systems"
NOTE: You may not be able to access this page without a password.

http://www.autofuturestrading.com/tradingSystems.shtml

TonyBoyWall

I finally found a time when I could get together on the phone with Michael Stevens to discuss the CTI offer.  Within 5 minutes of qualifying me on the phone, he said he'd have "a software developer" call me back to discuss the system and do a demo.  The man who called was (I think) Bob Bennett.
We spent a few minutes discussing what they do and how their software works.  While we were having that discussion, I did a search (based on the company and software names they were providing) to find this page.
Mr. Bennett kept talking about "our brokers."  I finally asked him what he meant since he clearly stated that they weren't listed with the FTC (his words).  He started to get angry and defensive.  And this was to a simple question that I asked.  Next I asked him who "his brokers" were licensed by.  I really didn't know.  He really got PISSED!  He started yelling at me.  Took me to a page at http://www.efloortrade.com/ and said "scroll to the bottom of the page."  He wanted to point me to the NFA Logo on the bottom of the page.  I clearly said thank you ... as I didn't know who was licensing those brokers.  By that time, I think he was really seeing red.  
For all of his smooth talking in the beginning, he really lost his cool quickly.  I guess he'd been having a tough morning.  
Anyway - in the middle of his angry red-faced rant, I simply hung up on him.  
His associate called me back in a few minutes and asked what I thought.
I just told him that they weren't the folks for me.
Thanks to everyone who posted background information on the companies, the tactics, and the results to this page.  I am glad I took a moment to research CTI and the other company names before investing too much time (or ANY money)!!

I got a call today from CTI sales person Chris Hallon.  I told him I wanted to get 3rd party verification on the trading account.  He told me no problem!  He then asked me who I wanted to verify it with my broker, or my wife or my tax adviser.  When I told him "my attorney" he laughed and said no one has ever said that to him.  He gave me a number to call when I had my attorney on the line.  310-779-9139 and told me the developer was Bob Bennet.  When I called the number all I got was "Bob Bennet" explaining to call Mark Bishop 323-348-4766 if I had questions about my account.  I Googled CTI Bob Bennet and found this thread.  GREAT INFO here !  the number that called me was 323-348-4730

I got a call today from a company called CTI. I told him that I was not an investor and he hung up promptly.
Caller id was CTI number 323-903-5517 9:47 AM, CA time on 4/11/2012

Looks like a shill posting for this fraud.

They called me with an aggressive sales pitch and they sounded legitimate.  They charged me $5500 for the Victory license and offered me a one year performance guarantee.   If the system was not profitable for my first year I could get a refund of my license fee.  During the year that I traded their system, there were three occasions that the brokers that they referred me to refused to handle their trading system because they are unregistered.  Each time, I had to pay a wire fee and fill out a lot of forms with a new broker.  I originally invested $2500 in the account linked to their system.  My balance kept dropping as a result of losing trades and I kept hoping things would turn around.  Their results were abysmal in February 2012, and I was notified by my broker that there wasn't sufficient margin in my account to cover  any more trades. My original $2500 was down to $489.50, a loss of more than 80%.  This occurred at about the time of my one year guarantee period, so I wrote to Mark Bishop for a refund.  I just spoke to him and he said that I wasn't qualified for a refund because they showed a gain of over $900 for the period. In their sales pitch they told me that their wouldn't be much slippage on their trades because they limited their system to 500 investors.  Actually, in every single trade, my gain was smaller or my loss was larger than what they posted on their web site.  On some trades that they listed as profitable, I had a $12.50 profit before a $24.00 commission. In their sales pitch they show you how they could theoretically make hundreds of per cent profits, and they said they only had posted one  losing month.  Now six of the last twelve months were negative, even on their posted trade list.  Between the slippage and the commission on those trades, no one could have made money with their system this past year.  Their system is strictly technical and the markets have not been performing in a normal technical pattern, being driven by news events and high frequency trading.  

Do not make the mistake of falling for CTI's sales pitch.  The results that they post are not actually achievable. They are not an honest firm, and it is quite possible that before long no broker firm will be willing to handle their trades.  Any performance guarantee based on unrealistic trading results posting system is worthless.  I will refrain from using the words that I feel would accurately describe the character of Mark Bishop and his cohorts because I feel they might be considered slanderous.

They called me with an aggressive sales pitch and they sounded legitimate.  They charged me $5500 for the license and offered me a one year performance guarantee.   If the system was not profitable for my first year I could get a refund of my license fee.  During the year that I traded their system, there were three occasions that the brokers that they referred me to refused to handle their trading system because they are unregistered.  Each time, I had to pay a wire fee and fill out a lot of forms with a new broker.  I originally invested $2500 in the account linked to their system.  My balance kept dropping as a result of losing trades and I kept hoping things would turn around.  Their results were abysmal in February 2012, and I was notified by my broker that there wasn't sufficient margin in my account to cover  any more trades. My original $2500 was down to $489.50, a loss of more than 80%.  This occurred at about the time of my one year guarantee period, so I wrote to Mark Bishop for a refund.  I just spoke to him and he said that I wasn't qualified for a refund because they showed a gain of over $900 for the period. In their sales pitch they told me that their wouldn't be much slippage on their trades because they limited their system to 500 investors.  Actually, in every single trade, my gain was smaller or my loss was larger than what they posted on their web site.  On some trades that they listed as profitable, I had a $12.50 profit before a $24.00 commission. In their sales pitch they show you how they could theoretically make hundreds of per cent profits, and they said they only had posted one  losing month.  Now six of the last twelve months were negative, even on their posted trade list.  Between the slippage and the commission on those trades, no one could have made money with their system this past year.  Their system is strictly technical and the markets have not been performing in a normal technical pattern, being driven by news events and high frequency trading.  

Do not make the mistake of falling for CTI's sales pitch.  The results that they post are not actually achievable. They are not an honest firm, and it is quite possible that before long no broker firm will be willing to handle their trades.  Any performance guarantee based on unrealistic trading results posting system is worthless.  I will refrain from using the words that I feel would accurately describe the character of Mark Bishop and his cohorts because I feel they might be considered slanderous.

Arnon, you make no sense. People are posting how they are seeing returns every month and you are saying dont use them. You have no experience with a system you are "knocking" which makes me laugh. How can you talk so badly about a system with a 5 year proven track record?

I don't care if they make money for you or not.  CTI are FUCKBAGS!!  They call me at least 4x per week and when I say to not call me they hang up.  If you would like to harass these jackoffs (they called me tonight like they have been doing for 5 years) like I will be doing, call them at 323-348-4766. Ask for literature and then send in blanks.  Leave messages.  Talk to their brokers. Waste their time like they do to millions of people.  Check the web to see how many people they irritate.  If you are in Socal visit their offices.  Tonight this do***e bag said to me,"Don't answer the phone", when I said don't call me any more.  Harass the hell out of these jack-o-lanterns just like they do millions of American Patriots!!

Yes YES!! All losers that have nothing better to do with their time ....listen to this moron!!!! While Im at it I think I will prank call my neighbors as well!!...........Idiot

I too checked them out with the brokers before trying their system.  My plan was to start out small, then add one or two contracts each month if the system performed.  Month one was good, so I doubled my investment in month 2. The system didn't generate a trade for about 5 weeks.  The broker said that sometimes happens, so no worry.  Month three produced a few very profitable trades.  Fast forward to the end of year one, and I ended their "measurement period" for their guarantee with about a 40% loss.  I have no regrets about losing money on the investment.  However, what I DO have a problem with is CTI's RENEGING on their GUARANTEE.  

They acknowlege that their system lost me money, even beyond the brokerage fees and "slippage" that they typically exclude in their contract.  But they have yet to refund my money.  It's been months now, and each time they have a different excuse for why they haven't issued the rufund.  Understand what I am saying - they ADMIT that the Victory system didn't perform, and under their guarantee, they owe me a refund.  But instead of paying, they make one excuse after another.  After the fact I found all these claims on the Internet that their whole deal is a scam.  Lot's of complaints with the BBB, who rates them "F".  I may never get my refund, but by the time they finish responding to complaints filed with the FBI, FTC, SEC, FCC, LA County Sheriff's Dept., etc., maybe they will be a bit more forthright in dealing for future clients.

I did the CTI thing and was sucked into the Boomer deal. Regardless of how the "system" works, I was also trading thru a brokerage firm in Chicago. Even though it "looked" good, I continued to realize losses or less than stellar results for months! According to my broker - not a CTI guy -- there's this thing called "slippage" + broker commissions so I finally got fed up and got my money back.

That was about a year ago. I'm still pissed and still want my $6,000 back.
I was totally taken. My fault. Never again!

Hi Richard,

The last post you had was from March 11.  I also received their calls, went through the sales pitch and spoke to their broker this morning.  How did you end up of the year and how did you do in November 11?

What are we to think of LML the brain surgeon above who doesn't understand what a PREDICTIVE DIALER is?
The reps (as in any call center) on the dialer have no control over when those calls go through.

Hey moron...all of us arrived here the same way..by googling. You're an idiot.....Plain and simple. have a nice day

I think that you me and Patty all started within the same time period. I bought in Oct but didnt fund my account until Nov 1st. So far I've seen over 40% net on a $15,000 account. This cant be their typical performance. I almost wouldnt believe it if I didnt recieve verification from seperate clearing firms. So far I certainly cant complain .....just hope they can keep it up. The only thing I am confused on at this point is why people on this site keep saying that this is a scam..that it isnt a real investment. I think the best thing to do is to extract my profit and see if I can actually recieve the funds......If so ...then I'll know I have nothing to worry about. I suggest you and Patty do the same thing. So far these returns almost seem too good to be true.

Question to Richard:
I got a call from CTI today.  I have their website with supposed results.  Noticed you said you made $500 $362 loser, $75 winner then another $360 loser.  This differs from the website for those 4 trades a little, which claim $550 winner, $337.50 loser, a $187.50 winner and another $337.50 loser.  Difference in total is $212.50 against you from published results.  Average of about $50 which I assume is slippage.  CTI, Bob Bennett, claimed the results published were actual fills but my impression is this is a lie. The trades happened but with less profit and more loss. What do you think? Over 400 trades to date at $50 slippage per trade plus commission of $20 round turn we come to $28,000 in expenses plus the cost of the system. I CAN'T SEE MYSELF BUYING THIS SYSTEM