lol...ya the guy just got finished threatening me.....calling me a racist for some reason....got him on the phone a few times....and could tell he's of an ethnic background witha thick island-like accent.....but ya he told me he's got no license and hes buying for his sister..and tryinto get my address saying he'll come monday...but he doesnt drive and has no licnese...and expects me to just change over the ownership to whomever.....and I told him well I want some identification to sign over the registration and he texted me 72 times in just under a half hour threatening me and this that and the other like some kind of cheesy wanna be movie thug.....so I told him my address cuz I'm in the mood for some fun with  confused little coloured boy....and he never showed up...this all happened just an hour ago...then i thought to google the phone number and someone actually HAS THIS PAGE UP AND RUNNING THAT'S HILARIOUS and yes it's not bullsh*t this guy is for real and ,,,,,could be terrorist associated.....these gangsters, when actually organized, usually have a large portion of their money going overseas to fund terrorist organizations....I work closely with a few durham regional poice officers....and they've read teh text messages....and already have a trace on the number that THE GUY IS STILL USING <----(lol),,,...so just waiting for the guy who has my address but just texted me an hour ago saying I better not answer my phone cuz the next call will trace where I am.....lol...so anyway....SUPPORT your local RED MACHINE.... two wheels for life........have a nice day.




oh yeah ...the date today is August 20,2011 at 8:47pm ...placed my ad yesterday morning on creaigslist and kijiji....got a text last night after 10pm(which seemed weird) and a few more til 1am....telling me he wanted to bring me 500 right then...the ad said 800...as I said again in response to those texts

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I can't believe that people actually fall for these scams enough for these people to keep at it. Why would anyone send a stranger money? That just seems like common sense to me.
The numerous grammatical and spelling errors are the first tip off. The second, Using Mr. or Dr., as well as their first and last names seems pretty suspicious and uncommon in most legitimate responses. In addition, it seems the more research I have done about these types of online buyer scams, the more I have discovered that many times the original or subsequent emails, will close with, "Best Regards". I have bought and sold many items through the internet and can not recall one legitimate response ending with such a formal closure as "Best Regards". Providing a number may help the Email appear more legitimate. However, I wanted to talk to the person on the other end, I wanted to see how they tried to scam me over the phone, in a more personal situation.
The man who answered never offered a name, I had to ask if he was the person who sent me the email. He spoke very rough English and seemed to care very little about the car I was selling. Once he explained that he was going to send me a Cashier's Check for the vehicle and that he would take care of the shipping. I expressed to him that I though that what he was saying seemed like a scam. He tried very little to convince me otherwise. In the end I told him "I don't think so" and he accepted saying, "OK, bye, bye."
This is what I was sent from terry_douglas21@yahoo.com: (note the frequent grammar and spelling errors)
My name is Mr. Terry Douglas, I am interested in buying this Truck ASAP, but I can only pay $16,800 flat. Does the Truck have any engine problem or transmition problem? Well call me with this number 647-866-9173, if my offer is acceptable or you can send me email.Thanks Best Regards Terry Douglas

In Canada we spell check, cheque

We have had the same thing happen this past week! This hoser tried to pull a fast one on us.

I thought the whole deal sounded too good to be true, so I researched the company from which the cheque was made out, it was a charity! I also searched Kelly's name, and found this website, which reassured me of my suspicions. I wish someone could figure out a way to catch this two faced jerk. I dont think it'd do any good reporting him to the cops, because he's probably not even using his real name. He tried to scam us through kijiji.

I have one of his cheques in my hand as well, I'm calling the cops!  The cheque is made out for $8,980.00 more than it was supposed to be. What a piece of work.  I'm a firm believer in karma!!!

Dito, same Kelly Rothmas tried this on me today too, and on my friend as well. Same M O, This guy is busy! Probably not even a Canadian! Have traced him to Concord Ontario. The address and postal code on the UPS envolope don't match. Spoke to another friend today about this, he had a friend that got burned for a "transport truck". Don't know how people fall for these types of scams. Always telling my kids, if the deal sounds way to good to be true....

Does anyone know if he ever tries to pick up the car he supposedly has bought?  I have one of the creeps cheques in my hands right now.

Hmmm... I have the creeps cheque in my hands right now.  And the signature is not Kelly Rothmas or James Brown, but I can't read what it is.  Does anyone know if he's ever tried to pick up a car?

It's the same guy, man.  He uses multiple names.  Google search him, and his phone number.  you'll see.

Well, I knew this sounded too good so I decided to try and cash the cheque at Money Mart. After the cashier entered the cheque, she said it would take a couple of minutes to clear. I told her I'd come back in a bit. I went across the street to a ScotiaBank (since the cheque says it came from there) and tried to see if they would verify the amount. The teller couldn't.
So I called this jack*** back and asked why did he send more than we agreed on. He says "my secretary sent you the wrong cheque. just cash it and my shipper will take the difference" so when I said it had my name on it so how could it be wrong, he stammed and said he was very busy and had to go. I should mention the guy has a thick accent... sounding like something from an African country by the way he pronounced certain words.

So I head back to the Money Mart and the lady is just staring at me. She asks if I trust this man and I replied, "no, it is the internet" and she tells me the cheque is fraud.
I called him again just now and told him the cheque is fraudulent and he asked who said it was. I told him the bank and he stammed for a moment. Then I told him I turned the cheque into the police and he is being investigated, called him a piece of *crap* and hung up

Wow, thanks for this thread, we had a feeling it was a scam and we said we wanted payment in money order and he still sent a check, so i thought i would double check the internet for info on this guy. We got a hit on our car from the kijiji site as well. Its too bad that there are so many scam artists out there that you seem to not be able to trust anyone anymore.

Amazing that this guy keeps trying.  I wonder how many people are actually being taken in by it.  It's such an obvious scam.

$1,500 IS OK BY ME.  I AM A BUSINESS MAN, I BUY CAR'S ALL OVER CANADA AND U.S. AND SHIP THEM OVER SEA'S FOR SALE. MY COMPANY IS LICENCED HERE IN CANADA AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS NOW.....  I KNOW BUYING  A CAR, THERE MUST BE ONE OR TWO THINGS I WILL NEED TO FIX  BEFORE SHIPMENT.  

BUT I DONT THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAR RIGHT NOW, I AM A BIT BUSY THIS PERIOD. BUT I WILL BE ABLE TO SEND YOU THE PAYMENT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I AM A SERIOUS BUYER.  I WANT TO SEND YOU A CHEQUE FOR THE PAYMENT RIGHT AWAY WITH FEDEX.  AS SOON AS THE CHEQUE CLEARS, YOU WILL INFORM ME  THEN I WILL MAKE OUT  TIME TO COME PICK UP THE CAR. IF YOU ARE FINE WITH THAT PLEASE SEND ME:    

(1) THE NAME YOU WANT THE CHEQUE TO BE WRITTEN ON.
(2) THE ADDRESS I SHOULD MAIL IT TO.  

PLEASE SEND ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER, I AWAIT YOUR REPLY, THANKS.  

KELLY ROTHMAS.

I just received this email from this clown. I followed up with a phone call and he asked for a name and address so that he could send a cheque.  Once the cheque clears he said he would get more details about shipping the vehicle.

Good evening, i am interested in buying your car, but you will have to give me a good deal. Does the car have a transmission or engine problems? Please get back to me as soon as possible, i am a serious buyer. my number is 647-890-2053 thanks.

Kelly Rothmas.  

You can respond to kelly.rothmas@yahoo.ca

HERE IS THE EMAIL I RECEIVED HERE IN CALGARY.  I AM WAITING TO SEE IF IT COMES AND THEN I AM PHOTOCOPYING IT AND SENDING IT TO THE AUTHORITIES, SEE IF THEY DO ANYTHING.  WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED


I AM A BUSINESS MAN, I BUY CAR'S ALL OVER CANADA AND U.S. AND SHIP THEM OVER SEA'S FOR SALE. MY COMPANY IS LICENCED HERE IN CANADA AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS NOW.....  I KNOW BUYING  A CAR, THERE MUST BE ONE OR TWO THINGS I WILL NEED TO FIX  BEFORE SHIPMENT.  

BUT I DONT THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAR RIGHT NOW, I AM A BIT BUSY THIS PERIOD. BUT I WILL BE ABLE TO SEND YOU THE PAYMENT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I AM A SERIOUS BUYER.  I WANT TO SEND YOU A BANK DRAFT FOR THE PAYMENT RIGHT AWAY WITH FEDEX.  AS SOON AS  YOU CASH THE BANK DRAFT, YOU WILL INFORM ME  THEN I WILL MAKE OUT  TIME TO COME PICK UP THE CAR. IF YOU ARE FINE WITH THAT PLEASE SEND ME:    

(1) THE NAME YOU WANT THE DRAFT TO BE WRITTEN ON.
(2) THE ADDRESS I SHOULD MAIL IT TO.  

MY NUMBER IS 1-647-890-2053.  I AWAIT YOUR REPLY, THANKS.    

KELLY ROTHMAS.

Glad I looked here too.. obviously I was suspicious.    I am in Calgary, also hit from my ad on Kijiji

I just received that exact same email from "Kelly":


I AM A BUSINESS MAN, I BUY CAR'S ALL OVER CANADA AND U.S. AND SHIP THEM OVER SEA'S FOR SALE. MY COMPANY IS LICENCED HERE IN CANADA AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS NOW....  I KNOW BUYING  A CAR, THERE MUST BE ONE OR TWO THINGS I WILL NEED TO FIX  BEFORE SHIPMENT.   SINCE YOU ARE OK WITH $9,800.

BUT I DONT THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAR RIGHT NOW, I AM A BIT BUSY THIS PERIOD. BUT I WILL BE ABLE TO SEND YOU THE PAYMENT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I AM A SERIOUS BUYER.  I WANT TO SEND YOU A CHEQUE FOR THE PAYMENT RIGHT AWAY WITH FEDEX.  AS SOON AS THE CHEQUE CLEARS, YOU WILL INFORM ME  THEN I WILL MAKE OUT  TIME TO COME PICK UP THE CAR. IF YOU ARE FINE WITH THAT PLEASE SEND ME:    

(1) THE NAME YOU WANT THE CHEQUE TO BE WRITTEN ON.
(2) THE ADDRESS I SHOULD MAIL IT TO.  

PLEASE SEND ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER.  MY NUMBER IS 1-647-890-2053.  I AWAIT YOUR REPLY, THANKS.  

KELLY ROTHMAS.


Needless to say I ain't doing it.  Too bad someone can't catch this mofo.

I received same e-mail from "Kelly Rothmas", word for word same as James Brown.  The e-mail was through my Kijiji Western Canada ad.  When prompted for more info, the e-mailer replied with "you tell me when the cheque clears, and I will pick up the car".  Seems a bit of a stretch from Toronto to Alberta.  Guess if it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't.

wow did someone really trust a man like him? an oversea dealer. i suspected the fact than he deal from 5500 to 5300, the worst dealer i got. by chance i checked these Kelly Rothmas... or james brown, lol, . thanks to the guy who made this website

Got an email from this clown this morning.  I'm trying to sell a car on the West Coast of Canada and a phone number from Ontario.  Used the same statements as others have mentioned.  When someone from out of my area code is sending me an email for a rather large purchase, the flags start flying.
The email adress is Kelly.Rothmas@yahoo.ca
No James Brown this time.

I got the same call two seconds ago about the same exact process decribed i am happy i searched the number too i cant believe someone could get away with this without being traced.

In Canada it is spelled cheque.
Not surprising American classes only teach about American grammar and its own history.

In Canada we spell it cheque.

I got the same message.  I'm glad I did a search on his phone number.

Well, for starters... the thing that should send up red flags is, if you really are selling your car, that CHECK is spelled "cheque". I could be wrong here folks (its been known to happen), but I was pretty good in my English classes... and I dont recall the stack of paper things you get from your bank that are directly connected to your bank account EVER being spelled "cheque". Unless, of course, its a non-American version of the spelling.

Always check spelling, punctuation and grammar on these emails, theres almost always something wrong with it.

i have got the same one here,

From: brown.james@ymail.com
Good Morning, I am interested in buying your car, but you will have to give me a good deal. I am a seriouse buyer and willing to purchase this car urgently. Please get back to me as soon as possible for us to get started. My phone number is 647-890-2053. Thanks.

James Brown

Ya, I got the same type of request...What I believe the scam goes like this.
1. Let's say you are selling your car for $5,000.
2. You provide your name and address.
3. This person will send you a cheque payable to you for, let's say $15,000.
4. You type an email back asking about the amount.
5. This person says, "oh I made a mistake on the price, can you just cash the cheque and take you $5,000 and send me the rest.
6. You do as he says.
7. The cheque is acutally an intercepted cheque that was sent in the mail.
8. The cheque has been altered and is actually a company cheqe from a legit company.
9. You cash the cheque in your bank account and send the rest of the money back to this person.
10. You are now under investigation because the fraudulant cheque has been traced back to your bank account.
11. You have no idea where and to whom you have sent the $10,000 dollars to and this person gets off scott free.
12. You end up being investigated by the police for fraud and or theft.

This is a SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!

I am selling my car and this guy is trying to pull off a scam...BEWARE!!!
I CAN PAY YOU $3,200.  I AM A BUSINESS MAN, I BUY CAR'S ALL OVER CANADA AND U.S. AND SHIP THEM OVER SEA'S FOR SALE. MY COMPANY IS LICENCED HERE IN CANADA AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS NOW.. DOES THE CAR HAVE TRANSMISSION OR ENGINE PROBLEMS? IF "NO", EVERY OTHER LITTLE FAULT I CAN FIX MYSELF. I KNOW BUYING  A CAR, THERE MUST BE ONE OR TWO THINGS I WILL NEED TO FIX  BEFORE SHIPMENT.


BUT I DONT THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAR RIGHT NOW, I AM A BIT BUSY THIS PERIOD. BUT I WILL BE ABLE TO SEND YOU THE PAYMENT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I AM A SERIOUS BUYER.  I WANT TO SEND YOU A CHEQUE FOR THE PAYMENT RIGHT AWAY WITH FEDEX.  AS SOON AS THE CHEQUE CLEARS, YOU WILL INFORM ME  THEN I WILL MAKE OUT  TIME TO COME PICK UP THE CAR. IF YOU ARE FINE WITH THAT PLEASE SEND ME:  

(1) THE NAME YOU WANT THE CHEQUE TO BE WRITTEN ON.
(2) THE ADDRESS I SHOULD MAIL IT TO.

THIS IS MY PHONE NUMBER 1-647-890-2053.  I AWAIT YOUR REPLY, THANKS.

JAMES BROWN