But deepak, SAS has been closed for many years now. Why post now? Is there some kind of pressure? Is he being investigated again?

Hi

I am from INDIA and i worked with Ari, he is genuin person and its another thing that time is not with him.

I am with you ARI

thanks
91-9811184594

Possible Fraud Alert - Caller stated they do security checks on thier bank accounts, and thier alert is about to expire. Requested credit card information.

Anyone knows anything about this phone number?

these guys are out right thieves, here's where they really are located and some info on their real company name. INFORMATION OF THE PUBLIC DOMAIN (IE A COMPANY INFO) CAN BE LEGALLY POSTED. You can remove it as many times as yuo like it will be put back. I have found more compliants abpout you little turds. Real interesting that whole banksafe/ paystream usa " concept". Seeems like you crack headfs have started witrh secure account services know. I am looking into Lloyd R Ferry. Soon everything about him will be posted. I will start by giving secure accounts real address in  the usa:
Detail by Entity Name Florida Limited Liability Company SECURE ACCOUNT SERVICES, LLC Filing Information
Document Number    L06000051379
FEI Number    204969102
Date Filed    05/18/2006
State    FL
Status    ACTIVE

Principal Address 8419 FENWICK AVE.
TAMPA FL 33647 Mailing Address 8419 FENWICK AVE.
TAMPA FL 33647 Registered Agent Name & Address FERRY, LLOYD R
8419 FENWICK AVE.
TAMPA FL 33647 Manager/Member Detail Name & Address Title MGRM FERRY, LLOYD R
8419 FENWICK AVE.
TAMPA FL 33647 Annual Reports
Report Year    Filed Date
2007    07/03/2007
2008    03/20/2008

As for your call center or customer lovy dovy care center in Montreal:

Solutions de Paiements Paystream Inc. situated on 204 Notre-Dame west Suite M-1 Montreal was founded in April 28, 2006 and registrered on May 4, 2006. Its economic activity is listed as Financial Services and has anywhere from 1 to 5 employees.  The postal address for the company is C/O Me. Melvin Kronish 5050 de Sorel  suite 107, Montreal. The principal shareholder and president is Ari Tietolman residing at 1980 Sherbrooke west #600 Montreal Quebec.  The second shareholder and secretary is Matthew Kent Sims also at 1980 Sherbrooke west #600 Montreal, Quebec. The company also goes under the name Paystream Payment Solutions Inc.. All its annual declarations ar up to date. All checks have turned out negative as to which financial institution they do businees with. The company has no files and none of its financial transactions are done through thefollowing banks:
Laurentienne Bank
National Bank
Bank of Montreal
Royal Bank
CIBC
Bank of Nova Scotia
Bank of Hong Kong
Desjardins Group
HSBC Bank

The company has no assests registered.  It is most probable that the two shareholders have used their identity to get the finances and not the company's name.

The company Solutions de Paiements Paystream Inc. rents the offices at 204 Notre-Dame West Montreal, building that is owned by Maustaires Holdings Inc. situated at 401 Notre-Dame W. Montreal.  the president of Maustaires Holdings Inc. at John Sims.  It is impossible to determine whether there is a family tie between Matthew Kent Sims and John Sims

As for your jewy sewy lawer Melvin Kronish, well I think he should govern you a little more. Seems like the problem is garbage like you. Maybe the matzaball can help you a little, here's a hint for the the talmudic law man:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/217/RipOff0217281.htm
You may think that an up fronyt fee is stander, but the FTC says no. The FTC rules say that the fee can only be received afer the frauded manies are returned. You seem to think diffrently. The swarma should look inside the company he is affilited with to see if they are following procedure. I beleive he is the only law man in that company, would he be responsible for this misrepresentation or lie?

I was wondering if SAS or Madicom are/wereregistered as telemaketers in the 39 states that require this to be done.

Francois wasn't. He being sued for that too. Also he didn't buy the rights to call people on the Do Not Call registry.

Madicom must have. Seeing your legit with everyhting else.
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Fisrt yuo need to know all the compies the Titolamn + Shawn + Sims + Bafik owned:

Madicom Inc:


2009-10-01               LE REGISTRAIRE DES ENTREPRISES
H:22:06:16                       SYSTÈME CIDREQ

R-PU-U03-1        ÉTAT DES INFORMATIONS SUR UNE PERSONNE MORALE
                            INFORMATIONS GÉNÉRALES
                            ======================

MATRICULE: 1164047236                NOM: MADICOM INC.



IMMATRICULATION : 2006-10-31
FORMATION       : 2006-10-26 CONSTITUTION
LOCALITÉ        : QUÉBEC

DERN DÉCL ANNL  : 2009-06-17  2008        DEMANDE DISS/LIQ EN COURS: NON
MAJ ÉTAT INFO   : 2009-06-17              TRANCHE EMPLOYÉS: ENTRE 1 ET 5
CESSATION PRÉVUE:               CONTINUAT:               TRANSFORM:
STATUT IMMATR   : IM  IMMATRICULÉ                    2006-10-31
RÉSULTANTE      :
FORME JURDQ     : CIE COMPAGNIE

ADRESSE DOMICILE: 5775, CAVENDISH, BUREAU 415             CODE POSTAL: H4W 3L9
                 CÔTE-SAINT-LUC (QUÉBEC)


RÉG. CONSTITUTIF: 024 LOI SUR LES COMPAGNIES PARTIE 1A
RÉG. COURANT    : 024 LOI SUR LES COMPAGNIES PARTIE 1A

                            ACTIVITÉS ÉCONOMIQUES
                            =====================

7798 ADVERTISING AND MARKETING


                                ADRESSE POSTALE
                                ===============

DESTINATAIRE    : ME MELVIN KRONISH

ADRESSE         : 5050, RUE DE SOREL, BUREAU 107          CODE POSTAL: H4P 1G5
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)



                               PERSONNES LIÉES
                               ===============
PERSONNES MANQUANTES: NON
         NOM ET ADRESSE                CODE POSTAL        DÉTAIL PERSONNE
======================================  ===========     ====================
TIETOLMAN, ARI                                          ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       PRÉSIDENT
                                                       PREMIER ACTIONNAIRE

4855, CÔTE SAINT-LUC, APPARTEMENT 303     H3W 2H5
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SHANE, AMANDA                                           ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       SECRÉTAIRE
                                                       DEUXIÈME ACTIONNAIRE

4855, CÔTE SAINT-LUC, APPARTEMENT 303     H3W 2H5
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                             NOMS DE L'ASSUJETTI  
                             ===================  

DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2006-10-31


         NOM DE L'ASSUJETTI              DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
======================================    ==========   ==========  ==========

MADICOM INC.                              2006-10-26               EN VIGUEUR





                              DOCUMENTS CONSERVÉS
                             =====================


                   TYPE DOCUMENTS                       DATE    CAST   IMAGE
===================================================== ========== ===== =======

108  DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 2008                        2009-06-17 7467   34 003
107  DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 2007                        2009-06-17 7467   34 002
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2008-09-17 7728   17 032
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2008-06-13 7639    9 016
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2008-06-06 7638    6 041
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2007-06-07 7451    1 020
40   DÉCLARATION INITIALE                             2006-11-22 6896   40 024
30   CONSTITUTION                                     2006-10-31 6882    2 012
17   DOCUMENTS ADMINISTRATIFS                         2006-10-31 6912    6 049


                                 AUTRES NOMS
                                 ===========

DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2006-10-31


              NOM                        DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
======================================    ==========   ==========  ==========

COMMUNICATIONS SPEECHLESS                 2008-09-17               EN VIGUEUR




PREVENTION PUBLICATIONS                   2007-06-07               EN VIGUEUR




PROJECT PRIDE PUBLICATIONS                2007-06-07               EN VIGUEUR




PROTEXT SERVICES                          2008-06-13               EN VIGUEUR




PUBLICATION PROJET DE FIÈRTÉ              2007-06-07               EN VIGUEUR




PUBLICATIONS DE PRÉVENTION                2007-06-07               EN VIGUEUR




SECURE ACCOUNT SERVICES                   2008-06-06               EN VIGUEUR




SERVICES DE COMPTE SECURE                 2008-06-06               EN VIGUEUR




SERVICES PROTEXT                          2008-06-13               EN VIGUEUR




SPEECHLESS COMMUNICATIONS                 2008-09-17               EN VIGUEUR




TELEPROTECT                               2008-09-17               EN VIGUEUR


Paystream USA ( Did kronish know he gave a false address. Looks like Titotshit`s address at madicom is diffrent from this company, another mistake i suppose)

2009-10-01               LE REGISTRAIRE DES ENTREPRISES
H:22:06:16                       SYSTÈME CIDREQ

R-PU-U03-1        ÉTAT DES INFORMATIONS SUR UNE PERSONNE MORALE
                            INFORMATIONS GÉNÉRALES
                            ======================

MATRICULE: 1163698765                NOM: SOLUTIONS DE PAIEMENT PAYSTREAM INC.



IMMATRICULATION : 2006-05-04
FORMATION       : 2006-04-28 CONSTITUTION
LOCALITÉ        : QUÉBEC

DERN DÉCL ANNL  :                         DEMANDE DISS/LIQ EN COURS: NON
MAJ ÉTAT INFO   : 2007-01-25              TRANCHE EMPLOYÉS: ENTRE 1 ET 5
CESSATION PRÉVUE:               CONTINUAT:               TRANSFORM:
STATUT IMMATR   : IM  IMMATRICULÉ                    2006-05-04
RÉSULTANTE      :
FORME JURDQ     : CIE COMPAGNIE

ADRESSE DOMICILE: BUREAU M-1                              CODE POSTAL: H2Y 1T3
                 204, NOTRE-DAME OUEST
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

RÉG. CONSTITUTIF: 024 LOI SUR LES COMPAGNIES PARTIE 1A
RÉG. COURANT    : 024 LOI SUR LES COMPAGNIES PARTIE 1A

                            ACTIVITÉS ÉCONOMIQUES
                            =====================

7129 SERVICES FINANCIERS


                                ADRESSE POSTALE
                                ===============

DESTINATAIRE    : ME MELVIN KRONISH

ADRESSE         : 5050, RUE DE SOREL, BUREAU 107          CODE POSTAL: H4P 1G5
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)



                               PERSONNES LIÉES
                               ===============
PERSONNES MANQUANTES: NON
         NOM ET ADRESSE                CODE POSTAL        DÉTAIL PERSONNE
======================================  ===========     ====================
TIETOLMAN, ARI                                          ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       PRÉSIDENT
                                                       PREMIER ACTIONNAIRE

1980, RUE SHERBROOKE OUEST, APP. 600      H3H 1E8
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SIMS, MATTHEW KENT                                      ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       SECRÉTAIRE
                                                       DEUXIÈME ACTIONNAIRE

1980, RUE SHERBROOKE OUEST, APP. 600      H3H 1E8
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                             NOMS DE L'ASSUJETTI  
                             ===================  

DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2006-05-04


         NOM DE L'ASSUJETTI              DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
======================================    ==========   ==========  ==========

SOLUTIONS DE PAIEMENT PAYSTREAM INC.      2006-04-28               EN VIGUEUR




-------- VERSIONS ÉTRANGÈRES --------
PAYSTREAM PAYMENT SOLUTIONS INC.





                              DOCUMENTS CONSERVÉS
                             =====================


                   TYPE DOCUMENTS                       DATE    CAST   IMAGE
===================================================== ========== ===== =======

81   AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29)                         2009-04-29 8001   65 008
81   AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29)                         2008-03-13 7517   17 032
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2007-01-25 7099   40 015
40   DÉCLARATION INITIALE                             2006-05-18 6788   34 033
30   CONSTITUTION                                     2006-05-04 6766    4 012
17   DOCUMENTS ADMINISTRATIFS                         2006-05-04 6779    2 033


Pharma Direct RX ( know nothing about this). looks like Melvin got the address right this time.

2009-10-01               LE REGISTRAIRE DES ENTREPRISES
H:22:06:16                       SYSTÈME CIDREQ

R-PU-U03-1        ÉTAT DES INFORMATIONS SUR UNE PERSONNE MORALE
                            INFORMATIONS GÉNÉRALES
                            ======================

MATRICULE: 1164636491                NOM: STRAIGHT PAYMENT PROCESSING INC.



IMMATRICULATION : 2007-08-27
FORMATION       : 2007-03-23 CONSTITUTION
LOCALITÉ        : CANADA

DERN DÉCL ANNL  :                         DEMANDE DISS/LIQ EN COURS: NON
MAJ ÉTAT INFO   : 2007-12-06              TRANCHE EMPLOYÉS: ENTRE 1 ET 5
CESSATION PRÉVUE:               CONTINUAT:               TRANSFORM:
STATUT IMMATR   : IM  IMMATRICULÉ                    2007-08-27
RÉSULTANTE      :
FORME JURDQ     : CIE COMPAGNIE

ADRESSE DOMICILE: 5180, CHEMIN QUEEN MARY, BUR. 370       CODE POSTAL: H3W 3W7
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)


RÉG. CONSTITUTIF: 104 LOI SUR LES SOCIÉTÉS PAR ACTIONS (RÉGIME FÉDÉRAL)
RÉG. COURANT    : 104 LOI SUR LES SOCIÉTÉS PAR ACTIONS (RÉGIME FÉDÉRAL)

                            ACTIVITÉS ÉCONOMIQUES
                            =====================

7798 MARKETTING
7799 SERVICES DE VÉRIFICATION ET COLLECTION

                                ADRESSE POSTALE
                                ===============

DESTINATAIRE    :

ADRESSE         : 5180, CHEMIN QUEEN MARY, BUR. 370       CODE POSTAL: H3W 3E7
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)



                               PERSONNES LIÉES
                               ===============
PERSONNES MANQUANTES: NON
         NOM ET ADRESSE                CODE POSTAL        DÉTAIL PERSONNE
======================================  ===========     ====================
TIETOLMAN, ARI                                          ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       PRÉSIDENT
                                                       ACTIONNAIRE MAJORITA

4855, CÔTE ST-LUC, APP. 303               H3W 2H5
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BAFRI, DAVID                                            ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       VICE-PRÉSIDENT
                                                       DEUXIÈME ACTIONNAIRE

4530, CÔTE DES NEIGES, APP. 210           H3V 1G1
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                             NOMS DE L'ASSUJETTI  
                             ===================  

DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2007-08-27


         NOM DE L'ASSUJETTI              DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
======================================    ==========   ==========  ==========

STRAIGHT PAYMENT PROCESSING INC.          2007-08-27               EN VIGUEUR






                                ÉTABLISSEMENTS
                                ==============

0001            NOM                                     ADRESSE
======================================   ======================================
PROCESSUS DE PAIEMENT DIRECT INC.        5180, CHEMIN QUEEN MARY, BUR. 370
                                        MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

                                        H3W3W7
ÉTABLISSEMENT PRINC   : OUI
DATE DE DÉBUT UTIL NOM: 2007-08-27       DATE DÉBUT: 2007-08-27
DATE DE FIN UTIL NOM  :                  DATE FIN  :

                ACTIVITÉS ÉCONOMIQUES DE L'ÉTABLISSEMENT
                ========================================
7798 MARKETTING
7799 SERVICES DE VÉRIFICATION ET COLLECTION



                              DOCUMENTS CONSERVÉS
                             =====================


                   TYPE DOCUMENTS                       DATE    CAST   IMAGE
===================================================== ========== ===== =======

81   AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29)                         2009-02-12 7904  104 020
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2007-12-06 7330   17 050
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2007-11-21 7372   26 021
94   DÉCLARATION D'IMMATRICULATION                    2007-08-27 7111   46 034


                                 AUTRES NOMS
                                 ===========

DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2007-08-27


              NOM                        DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
======================================    ==========   ==========  ==========

PHARMA DIRECT RX                          2007-11-21               EN VIGUEUR




PHARMA DIRECTE RX                         2007-11-21               EN VIGUEUR




PROCESSUS DE PAIEMENT DIRECT INC.         2007-08-27               EN VIGUEUR



I will also give you names of two of their `call centers`.

One is Ecosave: It was owned by a man called MCKEEFREY, PAUL PATRICK.
At the quebec regsitry ( https://ssl.req.gouv.qc.ca/slc0110.html ) you get two company ( like with Solution de paiment paystream ). Some of the other exceptional services sold where fraudulent govenment grants.

The other call center is  a company called :

6450903 CANADA INC.


2009-10-01               LE REGISTRAIRE DES ENTREPRISES
H:22:06:16                       SYSTÈME CIDREQ

R-PU-U03-1        ÉTAT DES INFORMATIONS SUR UNE PERSONNE MORALE
                            INFORMATIONS GÉNÉRALES
                            ======================

MATRICULE: 1163283857                NOM: 6450903 CANADA INC.



IMMATRICULATION : 2005-10-13
FORMATION       : 2005-09-20 CONSTITUTION
LOCALITÉ        : CANADA

DERN DÉCL ANNL  :                         DEMANDE DISS/LIQ EN COURS: NON
MAJ ÉTAT INFO   : 2005-10-13              TRANCHE EMPLOYÉS: ENTRE 1 ET 5
CESSATION PRÉVUE:               CONTINUAT:               TRANSFORM:
STATUT IMMATR   : IM  IMMATRICULÉ                    2005-10-13
RÉSULTANTE      :
FORME JURDQ     : CIE COMPAGNIE

ADRESSE DOMICILE: 1312, SAINTE-CATHERINE OUEST            CODE POSTAL: H3B 1T6
                 BUREAU 200
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

RÉG. CONSTITUTIF: 104 LOI SUR LES SOCIÉTÉS PAR ACTIONS (RÉGIME FÉDÉRAL)
RÉG. COURANT    : 104 LOI SUR LES SOCIÉTÉS PAR ACTIONS (RÉGIME FÉDÉRAL)

                            ACTIVITÉS ÉCONOMIQUES
                            =====================

5744 VENTE D'ORDINATEUR


                                ADRESSE POSTALE
                                ===============

DESTINATAIRE    : ME MELVIN KRONISH

ADRESSE         : 5050, RUE DE SOREL, BUREAU 107          CODE POSTAL: H4P 1G5
                 MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)



                               PERSONNES LIÉES
                               ===============
PERSONNES MANQUANTES: NON
         NOM ET ADRESSE                CODE POSTAL        DÉTAIL PERSONNE
======================================  ===========     ====================
EGBERONGBE, FRANÇOIS                                    ADMINISTRATEUR
                                                       PRÉSIDENT SECRÉTAIRE
                                                       ACTIONNAIRE MAJORITA

1312, SAINTE-CATHERINE OUEST, APP. 200    H3B 1T6
MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC)

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                             NOMS DE L'ASSUJETTI  
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DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2005-10-13


         NOM DE L'ASSUJETTI              DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
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6450903 CANADA INC.                       2005-09-20               EN VIGUEUR





                              DOCUMENTS CONSERVÉS
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                   TYPE DOCUMENTS                       DATE    CAST   IMAGE
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81   AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29)                         2009-07-06 0         000
81   AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29)                         2008-07-08 7691   61 004
81   AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29)                         2008-07-02 7688   52 024
19   DÉCLARATION MODIFICATIVE                         2008-03-27 7551   28 047
94   DÉCLARATION D'IMMATRICULATION                    2005-10-13 6451   22 017


                                 AUTRES NOMS
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DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2005-10-13


              NOM                        DATE DÉBUT   DATE FIN      STATUT
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BLUE YELLOW BOOK                          2008-03-27               EN VIGUEUR




GESTION PRIVÉE                            2008-03-27               EN VIGUEUR




LIVRE JAUNE BLEU                          2008-03-27               EN VIGUEUR




P.C. STABLE                               2005-10-13               EN VIGUEUR




PRIVACY MANAGEMENT                        2008-03-27               EN VIGUEUR




SERVICE DE SÉCURITÉ UNITED                2008-03-27               EN VIGUEUR




UNITED SECURE SERVICES                    2008-03-27               EN VIGUEUR




Ari quality controle was quite extraordinairy again. You see, Egberongbe not only sold Bakesafe USA ( never registered to any one in Quebec, nor was it registered in the USA till 07,yet they where alreay selling the solide service in 06) but he also sells a Businees Listing Web Site. Yellowbluebook.com. Ristrered to this company. That`s not all, he has a few other `solide + reputable` web site like :
bizadvertising.com
nationwidemarketingbureau.com
BLUE YELLOW MEDIA   ( i don``t remember th url, but it``s the exact same scam as the rest: company name: 7051620 CANADA INC. Incorporate by the Melvin the klepto.

The FTC investigated Egberongebe. Turns out hè`s being sue for Govenment Grants fraud. Just Google FTC vs Egberongebe.

So you have a disgusting crack thief who has two charges agaist him for fraud and theft, he then hooks up with Mevin the Klepto, incorporates two (3) fraudulent company`s. Gets two call center to sell his garbage , both accused of govenment grant scam. One being sued by th Ohio Attorney General. His processor in El Paso is also sued by the Ohio Attorney general. He is a contact for a company in the same office. Not only did his processor facilitate cross border fraud, but Titoshit used his knowlegde of the processors other `fraudulent clients` to con more poepl into their crappy service.
There is a post right here on this page. You`ll see one guy or woman.. gets hit with a 389.00 withdraw, then Tshit calls to assit in recovering the amout. What to know who did the initial charge É
Med Provison.
They where also shut down by the FTC. They used onbe of three company associated to the fraudulent processor: Banctech Processors Inc.
Med Provison usually charged their victims ( like these guys) without telling them . Usually 389 $.

It not a coincidence you keep getting calls from these guys. Take a look at thsi post:
You have Med Provivison, Privacy Alert Group, Bankrape ( paystream usa same company)  all calling the same guy.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Consumer-Services/CMT-Med-Provisions-B/cmt-med-provisions-banksafe-362c5.htm

This isn`t a conicidence.

They are a ring of con artists from Montreal. I must say I am amazed at how many fraudulent companys are involved.

I was doing some reaserch on bogus busness listings. I wanted to know the exact laws broken. I came accross a company on the FTC home page:
Federal Trade Commission v. 9163-7710 Quebec, Inc
Guess who incorporated it : Melvin Kronish

The processor in El Paso had two individuals associated with him: Bruce C Woods and Ali Nakhai.
Nakhai`s from Montreal. I found post from this guy where he`s lloking for Indian call center to sell Government grants.
So two of Tshit call centers accused of govenment grant scams, the guy from Montreal connected to the processor also involved to some degree.

And you have to trust this company

In their awarness programme , they claim to keep you informaed on the lastest fraud. Looks like they missed some stories.

If you want ID this is the last place to go.

aLI nAKHAI HAD THE SAME RESPONSE WHEN HE WAS ACCUSED OF FRAUD SOME YEARS BACK. tAKE A LOOK:


http://www.callcentersindia.com/showall-orig. ... UDulent_company

.....
BEWARE OF ALI NAKHAI
Ali Nakhai Re: GLOBTEL MARKETING is FRAUDulent company    [GLOBETEL]

THERE IS NO SUCH PERSON IN MONTREAL CANADA BY THE NAME OF JOHN TOILER, THIS JUST DOES NOT EXIST, WE WILL FIND OUT WHO IS RUNNING THIS CAMPAIGN TO DSTROY OUR COMPANY REPUTATION AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO ANY KIND OF BUSINESS EVER!

FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS THE ANY QIESTIONS ABOUT OUR COMAPANY, YOU CAN CALL US AT ANY TIME AT 1-514-798-8787 WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS!

ALSO IF THERE IS ANYBODY WITH ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS PLEASE INCLUDE YOU FULL CONTACT NUMBER SO WE CAN CONTACT YOU!

ANY COMPLAINTS WITH NO CONTACT NUMBERS AND COMPANY NAMES, ARE NOT LEGITIMATE SINCE WE ALL KNOW THAT WE CAN ALL JUST SIGN INTO CCI WITH SOME WRONG INFORMATION AND DESTROY OTHERS REPUTATION!

THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE,

ALI NAKHAI
GLOBETEL MARKETING
1-514-798-8787
....

Nakhai vehemently denied any wrong doing. Today we all know he's a crook. Today his lawyer are preparing his suite case before going to prison.

What about you Mr. Albet C.? Youy seem to pretend the Madicom/SAS is l;egit. You stand by your word, your confident, 6 yeras experience?

I beleive that in these slander/libellious law suit that one must back up what they are saying by facts. I say Ari web site has false claims, I say his processors is a thief, I say he's got a criminal file, I say they steal and use deceitfull tactics,  I back them up.

You say they're legit. You a reputable lawyer. An experience investistigator. I am guessing that you verified all the info and you will be able to prove me wrong with my next "slanderish ( I call it the truth) " claim.

I am accusing SAS web site of false claims:

Their fan mail strats with this:
Fan Mail  
Honesty, Integrity, Credibility, Reliability, Punctuality, Friendly, Caring, Respectful, Understanding, Patient, Supportive, Determined, Professional, Successful?


Her is one of their fans:

September 1, 2006

With great pleasure and honor I write you and your staff this letter. Thank you all so very much for getting the money for me. My mother (who has 3rd stage Alzheimer?s, a bad heart, arthritis, dementia, and myself, I?ve had 4 strokes, lost 1 lung to cancer and have HIV, this money will be put to good use in paying bills. You have a wonderful staff and I thank all of them who have worked on this for me. They all have been very kind and courteous to me? from the bottom of my heart, thanks to all of you for a great job.


Oscar F.
Lufkin, TX

I think that this is a fabricate letter from a fictious fan. I think these people have too many illnesses for this to be true, further more I would like to know how SAS has fan mail from sept. 1st 06. What I have read is as of sept/oct 07 banksafe ended and SAS began. So how can it be that this fam mail exist? Once again I accuse them of false claims.

Mr Alber C. , you an investigator, you must have verified that all cllaims are legit. Could you please prove it. Please say by who the money was stolen, please also show hospital records that prove these poepl have so many illness and of course prove that SAS was in busness at the time.

Or are you going to prepare' ari and moors's suit cases?

Dear Victom with overdraws,

Give me a call 888-548-3959, i'm sure we can resolve this matter. If I am busy, please leave me a message and I will call you back shortly.

Sincerely,
John Moore
Client Services

I never even knew your company was fraud protection until I looked up where my money had gone. I was just trying to get on a "no call list" After talking to your rep I listened to a call recording of me answering questions I have never heard before. My question is simple how do I get sined for and pay for a product I never knew was being offered? We are not talking about an elderly person or a person I dont know. I "know" what I said and your rep said. No misscommunication or questionable wording, this is clearly fraud. I did not even have this money to spend anyway. Why would I do this? My name was wrong on the check and the check number was 2000 away from my current check number. It all does not add up Mr. Moore.

To the anonymous poster of these forums;

You're not doing yourself, nor the company any justice by insistently and constantly badgering the individuals named in these discussions.

The root of the problem lies entirely on the now more than obvious fact that there is, or seems to be a hidden agenda de motivation on your part with respect to the company?s Responsible Parties.

As an investigative-lawman, it is certainly no secret that many companies and organizations these days (more so, over the past 6 years) are out for blood, in a manner of speaking, in terms of their financial attacks and approaches toward weak victims.

True; Canada does impose quite a hefty [and stable] place in the black-market with new scams opening up and hovering over the heads of law enforcement agencies on both sides of the border, though you've neglected to account for your personal attack on the companies you've libelously covered here.

Regardless of the location of any central office, and regardless of business practice, so long as the company representative makes clear where the company is located (centrally), no law is being broken, no lie is being told and you'll find that more then often, the "caller" will ensure the person they're speaking to understand that important detail before proceeding.

The laws governing out-sourced departments are easily summed up and can be researched straight from Yahoo.com and Google.com.

I can understand your position, to a certain degree, in that 'copy and pasting' articles found on the internet relating directly to companies and individuals may give you some hope to what seems to be a personal attack, but knowing the facts before posting the articles will save you a great deal of headaches.

I won't state which firm employs me, but careful and strategic research will reveal those facts if you'd care to give it a go.  You'll then see my connection with the companies you've spoken about here, as well as the outcome of our investigations.

In layman?s' terms; we found moot.

Getting back to the personal attacks between yourself and Mr. Moore, I see some rather heated animosity there that should definitely be taken into account by other readers of this forum.

My general understanding of the overall complexities of this back-and-forth libelous discussion pinpoints some anger and frustration between yourself and a Mr. Ari.

Just some food for thought.

Where the hell is TAMPS Florida?

Dear Victom with over draws,

It would not be possible for our company to debit your account without your authorization. You would have gone through a recorded verification were you would have had to answer "yes" to all of the question or our billing department would never proceed to bill you. With that said we are here to resolve any issue you may have including any refund you may require. Please call me directly at 888-548-3959 I am sure we can resolve this issue.

Sincerely,
John Moore
Client Services

I recieved this call also. Caller said they needed to varify address, name and phone # to get me on a "do not call list" for tellemarketers. Without me giving bank info they took $267 from my account without my consent. Also sending me into a huge overdraw ordeal with my bank. These are people who are unethical and without morals. When I called they said i had given them the bank info (I did no such thing), but could not suply the "recording" of this. Sounds like the fraud protection is the fraud!!!! It's like the com hackers that get hired by the com viris companies.

PS; Maybe I'll take my next vacation in Tamps Bay, and visit John Moore, John Banks, and Jason Taylor in person!

Senior Scams

One scam that reportedly targets seniors reached a member of Lesco FCU in Latrobe.  The member received a phone call stating that it was Lesco Federal Credit Union calling.  The caller told the member that a large check was clearing her account to purchase magazines and that Lesco wanted to make sure she wrote a check for $189.  The caller proceeded to read off the routing number as though they were reading it from the check, and then asked the member for the second set of digits and current check number to verify the account.  The company claiming to be the credit union gave the impression that they were protecting her from fraud and looking out for her best interest.

Fortunately, the member called the credit union the next day.  Alert staff caught a check, which tried to clear the member's account on Thursday, made out to Secure Account Services LLC.

In an internet search for the company, this site http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-491-0029 includes numerous complaints from other seniors who experienced similar situations

Telemarketing Sales Rule:
Billing without  express verifiable authorization

In numerous instances, in connection with the telemarketing of purported telemarketing-protection goods or services, Secure Account Services + Teleprocess + Banksafe USA , have caused billing information to be submitted for payment , or collected or attempted to collect payment for goods and services, directly or indirectly, via transactions covered by the Original or Amended TSR, without the customer?s express verifiable authorization, thereby violating

16 C.F.R. 310.3(a)(3)

Telemarketing Sales Rule
Misrepresenting affiliation with any person or government

In numerous instances, in Connection with the purported telemarketing-protection goods or services, Defendants have misrepresented, directly or by implication, an affiliation with , or endorsement or sponsorship by, the customer?s financial institution or a government entity, thereby violating

16 C.F.R. 310.3 (a) (2) (vii)

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act : Pretext Violations

In numerous instances, in connection with the marketing of purported telemarketing-protection goods or services, Stolen Account Services + TeleProtheft + Bankunsafe USA induce customers to divulge their customer information of a financial institution by representing, expressly or by implication, that:

A)Stolen Account Services + TeleProtheft + Bankunsafe  are affiliated with, or calling from or on behalf of, a bank or government entity, or?

B)Stolen Account Services + TeleProtheft + Bankunsafe or not seeking a sale transaction and will not use the information obtained to debit customer?s accounts.


In truth and in Fact ( regardless of their justifications or excuses)

? as you all can see it?s quite the opposite


By making these false, fictitious and fraudulent representations to the customers of financial institutions, Stolen Account Services + TeleProtheft + Bankunsafe USA obtain or attempt to obtain ? customer information of a financial institution?, including bank account numbers, routing numbers, and identity of authorized signers of bank accounts,

Therefore Stolen Account Services + TeleProtheft + Bankunsafe USA  act?s or practises set forth above violate section:
521 of the GLB Act, 15 U.S.C. 6821

And constitute deceptive acts or practises in violation of:
Section 5 (a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. 45(a)

first of Moore you're a liar. I called and with my own ears you told me that you where located in the USA. You're in Canada. I called Bank's number and he told the same. Had I recorded it I could have sued you.

secound of all you do hide thing. I did some checking on Banksafe USA. In reality Banksafe USA was never registered to any of the two canadian companies that you use: Solution de paiument Paystream and Madicom. Banksafe USA was another fictitious name used by Paystream USA (* in the usa) so was pharmadirect.

In all the post that I saw conserning Paystream USA never once did you mention the REAL owner of the comp[any in USA. Micheal Veynberg. Why didn't you? It's the law isn't it? In reality all those rebutals fromAri where he pretends to be the owner and residing in the USA are not true. We both know he has a crimianl file and cannot go to the usa. So why didn't you?


Look at this: from rip off report

Banksafe - Paystream - CPS The NCAS - Capital Payment Systems
Phone:  800-949-0827
Fax:  
capitalpaymentsystems.com/
Internet,
U.S.A.

Submitted: 12/1/2006 5:59:46 PM
Modified: 12/13/2006 2:12:13 AM  
Laura
Saratoga, California



Ripoff Report Verified Safe
The scammers called my grandmother and asked her for the info at the bottom of her check. Not sure exactly what ruse was used, but I think they told her that she was owed a payment, pretended to be a bank.

Then they issued themselves two different checks on her account on 11/3/06 and 11-06/06, with two different payees. Each was for close to $400.

I found out because I recently got power of attorney over her account and am investigating fraudulent activity. Poor thing is 89 and can't tell when people are scamming her. She baarely has any money, but the scammers are after her hot and heavy on a daily basis.

One of the payees is 'BNKSAFE', the other is 'CPS The NCAS'. The latter endorsed the back of the check with PayStream USA, the former was deposited by Capital Payment Systems to 'Fifth Third Bank'.

I called the numbers on the checks and was told to leave a message at the BNKSAFE number. The CPS phone number listed on the check was answered by some mumbling guy with a ghetto accent who was totally rude and obviously a scammer.

I did some research and found this article:
http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=0,52800

Also a few police reports regarding 'Paystream USA' and elderly people receiving calls asking for banking info.

Laura
Saratoga, California


You forgot to tell Lauara that :
1) Tietolman does not reside in the usa . Can you explain to Laura why you lied? You have nothimg to hide right?


Paystream USA LLC Filing date: 03/22/2007
0600295383
Agent : Micheal Veyneberg
50 Harrison St. Suite 309
Hoboken,New Jersey
07030

Doesn't Veynberg send money to the rebulican party? What would they thinkif they found out that Veyberg has a criminal from Montreal lieing and stealing from US citizens and he doe4sn't even follow his countries laws?


Your next on my list moore. As I said you will have nothing to hide. I will m ake sure of it. Can Daviad Titeolman explain who his employer is all those years? You have nothing to hoise right?

Dear Info,

It is a fact that SAS does own Teleprotect, this is something we do not hide and a simple check with the BBB in Florida will confirm this. We have never stated to any clients we are a bank, in fact all clients are asked to confirm they understand this on recording before any fee's are charged.

If for any reason you feel any of our representatives may be misleading residents in your community, I encourage you to call me directly with any information you may have. if your information turns out to be valid, we will take immediate action.

Sincerely,
John Moore
Client services
888-548-3959

Doesn't SAS own teleprotect? Is this ignorant too or fact ?  

We received notice of an individual or individuals making calls to residents within our communities who are identifying themselves as being from a company called Tele-Protect and they indicate they are working in cooperation with Central National Bank. They are posing as a fraud protection company trying to renew a fraud protection plan, which the customer enrolled in last year. They are telling customers that their existing fraud protection plan is about to expire and it is necessary to have the customer re-enroll in the service. The caller is then asking for the customers account information.

THIS COMPANY IS NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF CENTRAL NATIONAL BANK and we strongly encourage you not to give personal information over the phone or online if it is not to a known and trusted source. If you are unsure, hang up and call your local bank.

Hi Ms. Greg , alias "sas is a scam"

Your mothers refund cleared our accounts over a month ago...

A simple reponse to my voicemails would have been appreciated. Also taking a moment to let the viewers to this site know that "SAS IS NOT A SCAM", as you clearly stated in your own words over the phone with me, would have been appreciated...

Nevertheless, we do apologize for the confusion, and were happy you contacted us directly in response to my replies, and happy we resolved your claim...

As promised, if you need help in the future, you know where to reach me...

John Moore

No offense, but that is a pretty ignorant remark, and a useless attempt to discredit the company...

Millions of businesses and individuals use google and gmail everyday. Are they illegitimate as well? If you have a problem with google, take it up with them...

On that note, I can also be reached at:  jmoore@secureaccountservices.net, but I prefer to use gmail as it is more accessible on my blackberry, and easier for people to type when needing to reach me...

If you were actually a client of ours, you would have reached me using my direct line, our website contact forms, or either of my email addresses, but clearly your interests lie only in trying to discredit the company... Fairly unsuccessfully at that...

If you have something to share with me that may be useful, please contact me directly.

John Moore
888-548-3959

John,

Answer me this:

If your company web site is www.secureaccountservices.net, why are all the company contact e-mails using an anonymous e-mail service such as gmail?

Logically, your email should be <username>@secureaccountservices.net.

The fatc is there is nothing new with this BS. they've been doing it for years. I think you should try to sue these guys in a small claims court. There are certain telemarketing rules they break all the time. Here is the list and the web page that explains how to go about sueing them:

General Provisions of the TCPA

Companies which make telemarketing calls must not call residences before the hour of 8:00 AM or after 9:00 PM.

When calling, telemarketers must provide their company name, the name of the entity for whom they are calling and a telephone number and address for their comapny and the entity for whom they are calling (if such are different).

The company doing the telemarketing MUST MAINTAIN a written Do Not Call Policy. They MUST provide this written Do Not Call Policy upon demand.

The company must maintain a Do Not Call List. Upon request (written or verbal), the company MUST immediately place an individual on their Do Not Call List. Such requests must be honored for five years.

Telemarketing calls cannot be made with the use of artifical voices or recordings (note that this is not the case with debt-collection calls).

Those who are "damaged" by the calls (i.e. the recipients of the calls) are entitled to damages of from $500 to $1500 PER VIOLATION or actual monetary damages - whichever is higher. Despite the fact that the TCPA is a federal law, these damages can be sought in a state court - more importantly they are perfectly suited for your local Small Claims Court - a venue that is decidedly more appropriate for those who want to handle a case in pro per and/or minimize attorney's fees.

Thank you for taking the time to call us today...

Please note that we are here to help in anyway possible. We apologize for any confusion or inconvenience; it was not our intention. Your refund has been processed, and shipped by registered overnight delivery. Please contact us upon receipt, and if you feel comfortable enough to allow us to help you and your mother with your other claim(s), do not hesitate because the service will be rendered absolutely free; as promised...

Also, if your opinion of our company/service has changed, please share your feedback on this site and/or by using our feedback form, so that others can make a more informed decision about our program, and so that anyone reading these posts who made need our help and/or resolution of any kind, learn to contact us directly for an immediate response.

It was a pleasure speaking with you today...

No hard feelings I hope,

Sincerely,

John Moore
Direct: 888-548-3959

SAS is not a scam. If you have a problem with our company, posting here won't help you but I can. As I mentioned before contact me so i can help resolve any issue you may have. This is my direct line 888-548-3959

My problem is?. You?re stealing from my Mother, and by reading these posts, many other innocent people!   You have not provided any information as to what my Mother has, ?so called purchased?.  If she were to need your services, she wouldn?t have any idea how to use them since you haven?t provided her any kind of instructions or contacts.  If you have documentation of how you have helped people, why don?t you post them?  Looks to me there are several scam victims here that would like to see the ?FACTS?.  
If you offer refunds why don?t you replace the money the same way you stole it?  Why do people have to wait to receive a check in the mail?  You didn?t!  You stole my Mother?s money in the way of a bogus check.  Who gives you the right to make a check out on my Mother?s Account?  
Let?s see your documentation of the ?FACTS?.

PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY REGARDING THIS MATTER...

WE DO NOT EDIT RECORDINGS AND WE FOLLOW STRICT PROTOCAL... IF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS IF PARTIALLY TRUE, BRING TO MY ATTENTION SO THAT YOU RECEIVE THE RESOLUTION YOU DESERVE...

WAS YOUR MOTHER BILLED BY OUR COMPANY?

CALL AND ASK TO SPEAK TO ME DIRECTLY, ARI IS NO LONGER DRIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS HERE...

JOHN MOORE

SECURE ACCOUNT SERVICES LLC.
HEAD OFFICE
8419 Fenwick Avenue
Tampa, Florida
33647

WWW.SECUREACCOUNTSERVICES.NET


DIRECTORY:


John Moore
Client Services
Tel.: 1-800-491-0029
Fax: 1-800-881-7702
j.sasmoore@gmail.com

Jason Taylor
Fraud Specialist
Tel.: 1-877-388-7220
Fax: 1-800-881-7702
jayson.tailor@gmail.com

John Banks
Quality Control
Tel.: 1-877-766-0449
Fax: 1-800-881-7702
bank.john08461@gmail.com

All clients can cancel within 60 days... in some instances, longer.

Refunds are issued by check weekly...

The service is excellent for those that use it, and we have a proven success record...

Call us if you like, we would be happy to provide all the documentation required to support these facts...

Did you have a problem getting a refund from us? Have you even done business with us? Have you ever used our services...

If you are an unsatisfied customer, we would be happy to offer resolution in a timely manner...

If you are not a customer, what the heck is your problem?

Your not protecting anyone because you continue to be the thief.  The only fraud is your company.  How do you reimburse the money you've stolen?? That is your business, right?