866-567-0050
mikky
mikky
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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the owner of DAC is the same owner of ub and AP poker, his name is joe norton, he a former grand chief of kanawake and started the kanawake gaming commision, few years later he purchased ultimatebet and absolutepoker. he probably started DAC to collected some of the moneys owed to his 2 poker sites.
Jackson
Jackson
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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The people who have posted that DAC has prosecuted are probably employees of DAC.   They are not going to do S**T!
Terry
Terry
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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I received some court type document by e-mail about six months ago.  I ignored it.  On Tuesday I was found guilty "by default" in Quebec court.  I didnt show up and now have to pay the $750 I owed Absolute Poker plus another $98.17 in interest plus $2275.00 in legal fees.  You can consult the role and look up the case to see this is legit.  The case number is P-2817263 in "Cour Superieur du Quebec".  I was sure this was a scam and I listened to ignorant postings on these boards.  I ended up getting f***ed.
Terry
Terry
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Someone actually told me I don't have to pay this debt because judgements in Canada are not recognizable in the US.  Is this true???
shorty
shorty
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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so anyone know if this company's legit? it's not like canada's going to extradite you there for a nominal sum of money...
Terry
Terry
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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I spoke with my cousin who is a lawyer and he suggested I pay to avoid any hassle.  I want to be able to travel to stupid Canada freely and I just dont want to need to think about this or have it on my plate. My biggest issue - far greater than the $ amount I - is that because there is a judgement, apparently this thing shows up on record if ever anyone does a background check.  I'm looking into whether I can countersue or file a claim for defamation of character or something.  So annoying!
Jackson
Jackson
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Look I know people are smarter than this.   The employees of DAC are posting on this board.   YOU DON"T HAVE TO PAY and if you think you do email me and I'll tell you exactly why you shoudln't.  jpeapod@rocketmail.com  If you pay...you are retartded
Jackson
Jackson
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Terry, show us a link to this on their website.  Or how can I see this document or case.
Jackson
Jackson
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Great Terry that link takes us to the homepage.  How do we see the specific case you are referring too..  Lol  you are such a dbag.....Anyone reading this should know that you should not pay ONE DIME>  DAC WONT DO ANYHITNG TO YOU
dutch
dutch
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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If you owe money pay...also if you owe money past due pay the collection agency I made the mistake of paying both. Dont do it!
Troy
Troy
2011-06-06 21:02:27
Unknown
This is a debt collection firm.
m-dot
m-dot
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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if you're any good at playing poker you'll know when to call a bluff and believe me this is a bluff!  DO NOT PAY THESE PEOPLE   they threatened me a couple of months ago, never got anything in the mail its all BS   just look at the names that they use, mark stern, ryan peters, steven davis, can they be anymore generic (lol)  my guess it that their aliases cause they're too scared to use their real names.  don't be afraid, if they call you just be as rude as possible and insult them at will, thats my advice
Poker player
Poker player
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Hahahahaha you uneducated fool if you were good at playing poker you wouldnt of ended up at their collection agency. You obviously played and lost... and now your not man enough to pay the piper. How do you sleep at night you f***ing criminal? I paid them cause i owed the money point blank no bs
playa
playa
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Hahahahaha you uneducated fool if you were good at playing poker you wouldnt of ended up at their collection agency. You obviously played and lost... and now your not man enough to pay the piper. How do you sleep at night you f***ing criminal? I paid them cause i owed the money point blank no bs
Michael McELeney
Michael McELeney
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Hi, I received a call from them too and they are harassing me please e-mail me what your lawyer says.
troy
troy
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Do you or do you not owe AP or UB money? you do not specify that in this giant post of yours at all... however you do state that you think AP and UB sold them the debt making the debt LEGITIMATE I'm sick of everyone giving absolutepoker such a hard time over a scandal that happend 5 years ago. I mean christ Wal mart has scandals going on all the damn time do you still shop there? Full Tilt and Pokerstars etc have cheated to they just havent been caught, it will happen. If online gambling is illegal and you've played on the site doesnt that make "you" the criminal?
Credit
Credit
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Will they report me to the credit bureau's?
Deb
Deb
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Hi All! My husband got a call from DAC this afternoon and was about ready to flip when I got home. Seriously, he's had a heart attack and I thought he was going to have another one. Thankfully, they said that we only owed $100 from playing on-line poker. Now, that's a laugh because neither of us play on-line poker. Anyway, when he hung up, he called our bank and they had a 3-way conversation. I think this John Carls wanted my husband to verify his CC # which of course, he is way too smart to do (in my opinion LOL). Then John said they had gotten all our information from computer information and had his IT guy rattled off some IP address that he said was ours. These people are cagey and need to be reports. My husband is calling our state's attorney general tommorrow to report this type of fraud that has infected our happy house! But, hey, equifax made some money off us tonight - so someone is happy!
What Should I do?
What Should I do?
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Basically, I got referred to these guys from Absolute Poker. They said I owed 55 dollars but only 25 was the actual debt and the rest were late fees from a debt back in August (which I remember the E-check not going thru) but the reason I got referred to them was because of a 60 dollar debt that happened recently, so apparently they didn't get my 60 dollar debt yet but only the one from months ago. Seeing how they seemed to speak English and they said if I pay the 25, they would forget about the rest. So I gave them a check number and routing number and they proceeded to take 25 dollars from my account. Should I be scared that they have my information now? I didn't think to look into this because they spoke English and told me they were an American company that had someone hand down their debt to them (not those exact words but basically that). So I didn't think anything of it and figured since it was only 25 and they said they wouldn't report me and ruin my credit, Id pay them, and I did. The only reason I came across the whocallsme website was because I noticed absolute poker and full tilt and poker stars all got shut down by the FBI, so I figured if they were doing something illegal maybe this company I just gave my information to is also being bribed by them and doing something illegal. So I typed in DAC collection agency in Google (assuming it would bring me to the company's website) and this website was the first that popped up. Im actually kind of afraid that I just gave them my check numbers and all that. What should I do? And by the way, before I gave them my check number, I asked them if they could legally take anymore money out without my consent (because I knew there was another 60 dollar debt that theyd eventually see and if they have my information already on file then they could do what they want technically) and the guy told me no. But I only believed him because I really thought it was a legit USA company and if they did screw me over, I could legally report them or get my money back (if they took money out without consent) or something along those lines.
ALSO- I checked my online statement and it let me bring up the E-check it used. In the PAY TO THE ORDER OF line it said Altcharge.com. So I went to altcharge.com and it says something about alternative electronic billing. In the MEMO part of the check it states DACs information. And in the SIGNATURE part it says No Signature Required : This Draft Is Authorized By Your Depositor : ******* so on and so forth. What should I do? Obviously this company is doing something illegal because the company they were working for was doing everything illegal. Should I call the NYS attorney general or try and get in touch with the person in the FBI who charged these online poker sites? Im kind of afraid to even post my email because some of these people say that these DAC guys are on these websites (my email has my last name in it). I just dont want someone to clean out my bank account. I know its very unlikely (or is it?) but Im just trying to be on the safe side. Someone help!
-Nick
F - UB/AP
F - UB/AP
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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First off...RELAX. You got scammed into paying 25$. Money you owed, fine, let that be a lession for giving them your info. But the truth of the matter is that this is a very, very, very dishonest company, and they very well may make more transacions to your bank account. The best thing you can do is close the account, and just get another checking account number. But at the very min you should watch your statements, and dispute ANYTHING else that comes from them.

This is how shady they both are (UB/AP and DAC). I was drunk one night, and deposited 1K into my UB account using echeck. Well needless to say the check bounced, and they took the 1K out of my UB account. I had not played with it, just left it there. Well several weeks later UB contacted me via email saying I need to deposite the 1k into my account. Well as you can see I already had it removed by them - they got there 1k back! Now there people are telling me I STILL need to deposite the 1k, and then I can either play with it, or get it refunded. Make any sense to you, cause it sure doesnt to me. Well i told them to F off, and to close my account. They had no intention of letting me play, just in stealing my 1k. After repeated emails, and 2 phone calls listening to there explaination of why i have to redeposite even tho they got there cash back, I finally told them to F-off.

Well 3 months later i get a call from DAC...I never returned it, and have since gotten one more which was also not answered. But you get the gist, they now want to flat out steal 1k from me by telling this "collection" company that i owe it to them. Do your self a favor, and just change your bank account number.
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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also, they never ackknowledged at any point that the phone call was being recorded.  Later on the 2nd or 3rd call they went back and reviewed the initial call on tape... is this legal?  They also said they would settle for a smaller amount ($2000 of the $2500 I owe).  They also got the amount I owed wrong during the first call...
Jane
Jane
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Any ideas who this might be?
SARA
SARA
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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I have gotten phone calls from this number and I finally returned the phone call this morning.  I spoke with a Mark Stern in the beginning of the conversation and he told me he was trying to collect a debt for Ultimate Bet Poker for close to $5,000.  I couldn't get a word in edgewise with this so called "FRAUD INVESTIGATOR", but later in the conversation he said the debt was for Absolute Poker and when I called him on this he said he never said Ultimate Bet and transferred me to his so called "ATTORNEY", Stephen Davis.  Well Stephen told me the debt was for Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker, 2 online poker sites that I have never had an account with or played with.  When I asked for the license number of this attorney who claims he is licensed to practice out of the state of New York he gave me a "FRAUDULENT" number.  I called back to get some more information and not to my surprise, I was not able to get any information out of this "PHONY" other than I need to have my attorney contact him!!!  I have reported this so called "ATTORNEY" to the Attorney General in the state of New York and they are going to open up an investigation.  I was told they were going to prosecute me for this money owed and I told them to go right on ahead.  But if they think I am paying out-of-pocket money to go all the way to Canada for their "REINDEER" games they are out of their mind.  They said "great, we win by default", lol!!!  If they honestly think they can collect money from someone from the US for Poker Sites out of the US they are WRONG!!!!  If I have never gotten any money from these Poker Sites, than how they come up with I owe them money blows me away!  I am not worried in the least bit about these people, and they can proceed however they wish, it is no concern to or of mine.
Jay
Jay
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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Sara thanks for your post.  They called me today saying that I owed them 350 lol
stacks
stacks
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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LOL!  i received a call from mark stern yesterday as well claiming to be a fraud investigator for DAC. initially he left me a voicemail implying that i was in serious trouble (LOL!).  naturally i called back to see what was going on and i guess fraud investigator is a fancy term for debt collector.  he claimed that i owed $1200 to ultimate bet.  he threatened to ruin my credit and send this matter to his legal department if i didn't attempt to settle the debt (LOL!)  i'm guessing legal department is a fancy word for janitor.
stacks
stacks
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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hey sara,   i have a very similar story to yours i spoke to mark stern yesterday as well.  the dollar amount is a bit smaller $1200 but i was harrassed in the same manner as you.  the funny thing is that several months after ultimate bet claimed that i had owed them the $1200, they had sent me an email indicating that the transaction had been reversed and that my account was in good standing. a couple of weeks ago i sent ultimate bet and email indicating that i had a gambling problem and that i wanted my account to be closed permenantly.  they obliged and shut down the account.  yesterday however i got the call from mr. stern and i'm very frustrated to say the least.  they obviously reopened my account because i was a very loyal customer and the minute they learned i won't be playing on the site anymore they put mr. stern on the case.  i have all the email records and the voicemail left by the so called "fraud investigator".  i'm guessing this is happening to a lot of people who are being victimized by this scam artist.  i was wondering if you were interested in filing a class action law suit with me against these criminals? please let me know, tx
anoynmous
anoynmous
2011-06-06 21:02:27
Unknown
so this collection agnecy is fake or a "fraud" themselves?
PLOKing
PLOKing
2011-06-06 21:02:27
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I wanted to file a class action law suit against these clowns about a month ago.  I "owed" $720.00.  I spoke with an investigator as well named Ryan Peters.  When I spoke with my lawyer, he said that it would be very difficult to file a claim against DAC.  This company is located in Khanawake, Quebec - a native reserve - and it seems that they have their own rules and laws there.  DAC is owned and operated by a Mohawk gentleman whose name I am still trying to find out. The business is registered as a "Mohawk Sole Proprietorship".

My lawyer also looked into past law suits that these guys have been involved in.  They have always been the plaintiff - never the defendant - which means they have actually sued people over online gambling issues.  I couldnt understand how this was possible since online gaming is illegal in the US.  The explanation that was provided to me was this:

The UIGEA (Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act) of 2006, claims that the "illegal activity" is the processing of fiscal transaction for any online gaming endeavors. It is not illegal to play poker online.  Furthermore, all of the servers for UB.com are located in Kahnawake, QC -- ironically the same place that DAC is located.  Because the servers are located in Kahnawake, it can be argued that the debt was incurred in Kahnawake.  Online gaming is a legally regulated activity (regulated by the Khanawake Gaming Commission - look at UB.com) and so the debt is 100% legal in Kahnawake.  The Quebec courts regulate native affairs in this part of Canada, and apply native laws when rendering judgements.

There have been 118 actions filed by DAC in Quebec courts against people like us.  They have won 57 of their claims, there are 59 claims pending, and they have lost two cases.  Staggering stats if you ask me!  I tried to find out how many of these claims were actually argued in court vs. how many were won by default because the defendant didn't show up.  I can't seem to come accross those stats.

Even worse is that a large number of US states accept Quebec judgements and afford reciprocity, which means in most states they can come after you LEGALLY.

I would love to go after these a**holes, but I can't figure out any way how - and neither can my attorney. I don't want to get into any trouble.  I'm "all-in" for a class action though - so long as we have a  claim.  Has anyone else spoke to their attorneys?  Curious to hear any feedback!

Thanks.
KOPanda
KOPanda
2011-06-06 21:02:27
Unknown
Hello,

This morning Oct 22, 2010 at approximately 12:32pm in the afternoon I received 2 missed calls from 866-567-0050.  Two messages were left, the first one was an abrupt hang up and the second was a man who claimed to be a "Ryan Peters" from DAC Investigators Unit who is investigating a case where my name has surfaced.  I immediately called back to speak with "Ryan Peters" but I was transferred to reception and a young woman indicated that Mr. "Ryan Peters" had left for the day.

Although I have yet to speak with him on why I am being investigated upon, I have a feeling that it will be the same reason as most of you, I am looking forward to discovering the sum of money that I owe (haha).  

I would like to get in contact with all of you regarding this organization "DAC" and discussing the possibility fighting back.  I believe many have been to afraid or simply just didn't understand what was happening so they paid "DAC".  However, I do not intend on giving in.  If you would like to join me, please respond back.

Thank you.
Sandra
Sandra
2011-06-06 21:02:27
Unknown
we all need to get together somehow and discuss this.  i read your post but i still cant even begin to understand how they can get a judgment on us in the united states.  i have a friend of mine who is an attorney working on it.  my email is   mmel1202@yahoo.com   it could only benefit us to pass information along as we receive it.  something has to be done about this!
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