I received a call this morning in OK from a 405 number, they are spoofing local numbers - claiming to be a detective, when I would not give them information they began to speak foul, calling me all kinds of foul names and repeatedly called back. I too have done my homework.  They are Northern Tier Agency LLC - owned by Kirk Peterson Krofka and Melissa Krofka is his sister.  They called from 405-259-6449.  I called the Tulsa Police Department and reported the calls.  They have an address is Tonawanda as well as another town, but the address in Frewsburg NY is Melissa home address.  Kirk G is their dad.  They have violated so many laws I am filing a complaint with NY and Oklahoma.  You can fax me if you want to compare notes:  888-301-2788.
They tried to intimadate me that I was going to jail.  THey said they bought my account from CHECK N GO in Tulsa OK.   They guy gave me the email address of  credit.managementservices@gmail.com.   I am sending a complaint to gmail regarding them.

Check Systems Management Services, LLC


PO Box 1194 Amherst, NY 14226

email addressmroberts@paycsms.com [mailto:mroberts@paycsms.com]

I got a call from the same number yesterday.  They called me restricted on my cell phone, so I didn't answer.  The person left a message stating that I had a complaint filed against my social security number and that I needed to call back ASAP.  When I called, the lady asked for my social security number.  I knew that something did not sound right, because no one should need your social security number for a complaint filed.  When I didn't disclose the information, she gave me some random number to verify if those were the last 4 digits of my social.  When I told her no, she then wanted my phone number and address so that she could "remove" me from the system.  I didn't give her any of that information either, so she said that she would send me a bill of $400.  I knew by then that this was a scam, so I said to just send me the bill.  She didn't even give me a company name, or why my so called complaint was filed.

These guys are amateur scum and the bottom of the collection food chain.  They will hang up on you if you announce they are being recorded.  They violate every FDCPA regulation on the books.  This is a group of idiots working out of thier home (yes you will hear children in the background, common for court officials and police officers??).  The official address they are now giving is 78 Webster St. Tonawanda NY 21240, which when requested is rattled off at machine gun speed.  They do not like to have to repeat when asked.  These folks purchase written off debts from other companies for pennies on the dollar and then attempt to make collections from anyone they can via scare tactics (valid debtors or not).  See http://www.tech-linkblog.com/dont-do-business-with-check-management-services-cms-collection-agency/  for additional info on these people.  Some other #'s associated with them are 717 566 6041 belonging to a Kim Feehrer and 206 781 3928.  When pressed for additional information they claim to be "McDonalds Corp." ("Not the resturant") a representative for the Hershy PA Humane Society.  They are a joke and can be entertaining once you know who they are.  WARNING:  If you return their calls use *67.  Once they know you are on to them they will harrass with prank calls.

I gotten a call from same people and they left the message on my Brothers X Wife’s phone saying they were the court and I need to call them ASAP because I was being investigated on fraud checks, for one I don’t right checks and two I work in the court system and the number they left is not a Court Number, we never have numbers that start with 877. SO I reported them to The Better Business Bureau and they told me they are being investigated and to avoid all calls from them. As a friend to all whom has gone through this don’t give any of your personal information to anyone.

these people are a huge scam and they are not even very good at what they do...I am glad that you did not give them any info or send them any money. I have had real debts and phone scams in my past and my advice is to tell people like this not to call you anymore. Then if they do it is harassment. Any real debt will handle the situation through paper mail or legitimate, professional phone calls in which they do not ask for your social and other info over the phone.

I received a message taken buy my work receptionist from this number.  The caller claimed to be Officer Brad Riley (the actual elected sheriff, whose name is on the web site.  Clever....not so much) badge # 825 from the Cabarrus County Sheriff's office.  This is NOT the sherriff's office ( I called them first for verification) and when they called the number back they got a busy signal.  This is a credit collector who, when asked (repeatedly, yes I did call them back) finally gave the company name as "Check Services".  When confronted with the illegality of poseing as a Sheriff, the flagrent violation of Fair Debt Collection practices and a request for company information, I was hung up on.  More than likely this number will be abandonded going forward.  If anyone else can get the address of the company, please forward to local police, Attny general (as collection violation) and FBI.  We need to get these guys out of business and punished for their slimey crap!  2nd call made back to them in attempt to get above information and was told they were the "Check department".  When I inquired "for whom?" I was told "if you don't have an account number you have no business calling here".

i got a call from them too. they were very friendly to me and helped me set up a payment arraingment to pay back my payday loan...at first an investigator was on the line and he was a real a**hole but he then transfered me to the 8776941397 number and they got me all squared away and sent me my debt verification letter and made me feel wonderful about taking care of my past debts..

As if what you said and what I just replied is not enough to make these folks easily recognized as a scam, the guy got really unprofessional, ugly, loud and argumentative with me when  i asked him not to call. THIS WAS A DEAD GIVEAWAY..gimme a break. No real debt collector would do that. Come on, do they think we are stupid. I am just trying to get the word out because people should be warned. I almost got scammed by some pretty good and convincing scam artists about a year ago. It is my hope that I can help others not get scammed.

Then I hate to say this but you probably just got scammed if you sent these people any money. This is an obvious phone scam to try to steal money from people. It is my hope today to get the word out to people everywhere not to be taken for a ride by these people.

he used northern tier bc alot of other people used similar company names. he changed that name in december or january bc he had 4 pending lawsuits that he didnt want to respond to. so he claimed to close company and just changed names and took his name off company llc and then put his fathers name on company kirk g krofka....kirk g krofkas signature is on the paychecks.

kirk tried using company names that are similar to other companies so it would be hard to find his illegal collection agencies. the new name of the company is northwestern agency or northeastern agency. located on 526 or 536 west third street in jamestown ny 14701 it is the wesgate office building on the second floor....owner of the building is clayton anderson if that helps. they use dft communications as there telephone and internet provider also. melissa krofka is the office manager.

ellen if you need any help with your case let me know i used to work for the company and i quit because my heart could not take any more once i found out how that the debt that was purchased was illegally obtained and we were breaking the law. i am not innocent and will admit to anything you need in court to take these people down even if i myself will fall for my actions. kirk p krofka and kirk g krofka are the owners and i can give any info needed.

Information is posted above

Please see the above information you requested    name, address, ect of Northerntier Agency

The name, address and phone number of the person who
wrote this is:

Michael Gibson ( AKA - Herm Edwards)  He likes that name...
Co-Owner, Asset Recovery
Northerntier Agency, LLC
78 Webster St
North Tonawanda, NY   716-720-3695

Other "partners in crime" are'
Co-Owners Kirk Krofka, Sr.
                Kirk Krofka, Jr.

What the hell are you talking about....

And I have 4 great recordings and a letter and complaint to and from NY attorney generals office as well as an answer to the AG from the owners of northern tier (will provide if requested)  denying everything of course.  You can't deny recordings and caller ID records.  Currently have a pending lawsuit against them:)

After reading all the following posts.

To Whom It May Concern:

Northern Tier Associates,LLC is a legitimate NY State company doing business in the utility and power sector, not having anything to do with debt collection. Northern Tier Associates, LLC has received numerous letters and  had conversations with individuals' attorneys. Needless to say this company understands your frustration with SCAMMERS and individuals that employ less than ethical practices.

To this end, the company, Northern Tier Agency,LLC is currently in violation of NY State law. Northern Tier Associate,LLC is working with the NY State AG and will seek the maximum penalties allowed by law, including civil. So stand by Northern Tier Agency,LLC, the the consumer and the ones you seek to defraud will have the last word.

file a law suite the name of the company look at philly girl post thats the real name or better yet call the owner kirk krofka or mike gibson file a report with the state aty gen office...it wrks

people we have to give numbers for we can all call to stop this thats the only way... any body can make a post but show the world we are real people... if they are already calling ur wrk and family it makes only since to post ur number for we can help each other....

to philly girl i wish i can call u i have all the info we need to sent to the aty gen office and local pd every 1 with tapes recordings need to get togather and stop this once and for all

that so right i have the number to the owner father which is a partner as well how need this info on northern tier agency

This company has been harrassing me first I received a call from a Herman Edwards who stated he was going to send a constable to my place of employment. I called the company and advised them not to call my job again. Apparently, they thought I was playing and he called again telling a co-worker that I will be brought up on fraud charges. Asking to speak with my Supervisor to tell them the same information. So you mean to tell me they are playing games and could cause someone their job.  I will get to the bottom of this situation.

I received a call stating that they were going to prosecute me in Bexas County but, wanted to speak with me before doing so in 24hrs. Stated that I had been notified. Now mind you I have received nothing in writing just phone calls. The said they were from Check Services and she was an investigator.

Your debt collection methods, as reported here, are illegal. You are breaking the law -- which part of this don't you understand?

My boyfriend works for the company. He is constantly quiting because he believes them to be unethical. The current owner is an active crack cocaine addict. He smoke the drugs at work with the employees around. D do not give them any of you money...he will blow it on crack cocaine. Rumor has it he beats woman I beg my boyfriend to quit every day.

I recieved a message on my office phone from "Charles"  claiming check fraud and papers would be filed in my county.  I returned thier call and spoke with Mrs. Tori, while pleasant to speak with on the phone, claimed I would be served papers before she could fax me the information.  I know that facimilies can be sent and recieved in a matter of seconds and have yet to hear a knock at my door.  She suddenly had an instant message from the lead investigator and forwarded my call.  Investigator Micheals aka Barney Fief answered(who also sounded quite a bit like "Charles", I stated I had been forwarded by Tori that is in your office, he stated he was in my county not thier office, I love the capabilities of the automatic line transfer to out of state goverment agencies!  When I refused to confirm my personal information over the phone, Mr. Fief stated that he would not speak to me and he would be sending a deputy to pick me up at my residence. I replied sounds good and he hung up.  As an investigator he should have had some knowledge in the law, but I also see that as a scam outfit, law does not apply here.

I just got a call from a family member who was concerned because a so-called "police nvestigator" called and through and said that I was being investigated for check fraud...This is an illegal practice, and hopefully, if any of you are also being harrassed like this, you will report it!  These idiots need to be stopped.  I am not sure what your situation is, but I am recently divorced, lost my job, and with the economy the way that it is, well...I am just going through rough times, like sooooo many others...Just keep in mind, the people calling you probably have collectors after them too!  That helps get me through the days when they are harassing the crap outta me!

its an empty lot - no 78 Webster Street at all

ITS 80 WEBSTER STREET