I used to work at organizations like these, in fact I traveled doing this for about a year.   The people that make the calls are either local people (usually younger people with low or no experience...they don't make hardly anything.) and "phone pros" which are usually scum (most can't get jobs anywhere else and don't use their real name on the phone).   The main problem is these "contractors" will skirt the line to make you think they are actually fire fighters or cops.  (Worked for those....they almost call themselves cops and say things like "down at the station" to make it seem like they are cops.). The turnover in this type of work is about 100%....and that goes by months.  

Normally only around 15-25% will ever go to the actual benefit (campaign is what we called it since we did 3-4 a year....shop-with-a-cop, bullet proof vests drives, concerts, etc).  My problem with the organizations were most of the places I went, the principle "member" that hired the organization would end up in jail. (Yes, actual cops or firefighters, since they steal the money).    

Trust me...the "pros" in this business are very scandalous.

really stop disturbing the peace with unprovable accusation that come up if searching a name - exactly why I am refraining from using yours, time will tell.

wow what an interesting comment - ever here of the term sub let - verbal abuse is that like someone committing suicide due to quality of life issues on having a manipulating boyfriend twice their age or a minor being raped by a parents 3 erd husband, right under Mom's eyes, Whatcha think a mud slinging contest is diffidently in order.  Next will be your names and addresses!

You are simply wrong TCharly.  In your own words, no one gives away... "fire alarms."  The RPFFA does however, mail out and give away "Smoke Detectors" to people that need but can't afford them.  

If you ever really want to speak with Association President, Keith Wilder..... all you have to do is call, 919-714-7944.  Simple as that.  Any concerns or problems that you may have regarding him or any questions you have will be forwarded to him on the same day.

It simply amazes me, the number of people in this world... that will not contribute to a cause, (even to help children) unless they can write it off on their taxes.   They won't help innocent children that have life scarring burns to their bodies..... unless they can write it off on their taxes.  

Like me, you can indeed get a tax deduction from the purchase of these concert tickets.  Donate them to your local church or Salvation Army.  When you bring them in to donate, you will be written a receipt for that ticket/s which are valued at $26 each.  There... now you can claim it on your taxes.

I got called twice and the second call was very nice

how would a customer know this, even begin to speculate if this person was a former employee or just an angry citizen, or care - something is underhanded about this post! By giving out an address are you hoping to scare someone, intimidate them - obviously no customer (not directly associated with Firco or one of it's employees) would even fathom whom a complainant might be, on a website such as this (designed for complaints). Months later after the post has been put to sleep and this response pops up and we are to believe a customer did this......a satisfied customer - I rest my case -just in these post - Firco's quality from top to "the bottoms" is poor. Is not the reasoning behind a third party collection company -  so as to take the intimation factor away - hear this Firco - do what you do - your open to public scrutiny when that scrutiny comes on a web site designed to complain and stop unwanted calls - your input at such a point is not needed and to be fair (with all the information you retrieve on your unsuspecting recipients of your calls, before you call them) we should be allowed this outlet to counter your information - it is the proper place to air complaints. Micromanaging a site such as this - shows a desire to be to involved with the community at large over opinions about Firco that should not matter if your doing a great Job. (in a nut shell) when you dialed that first Raleigh citizen you were open to criticism - naming someone - attempting intimidate them from speaking their mind, this is what your company represents Mr. President? This represents Raleigh Firefighters ( I will be contacting a lieutenant in RFD tomorrow and writing the address listed to advise this person of these tactics) is not a street fight, it is a forum - you have added to the street fight mentality with some of your comments - again - this site is designed for complaints - it is the reason for it's existence Firco reason for existence is to collect without heavy handed intimidation tactics your company was employed to stay away from, and we are to believe in this "satisfied customer" (whom hides behind a screen name yet points fingers at others using the anonymity this sites provides) and that they are whom they claim to be a satisfy customers - surly your embarrassed by this attempt of intimation and I hope the honor of a former firefighter will get to the bottom of this. As a former firefighter I am sure there is some attempt to run a tight a ship and collect and run your business without intimation, that is why you claim to exist - is it not!

You satisfied customers @ Firco  are in the know - your really take your charitable contribution seriously, what you have outlined is a police matter - I hope you have reported this! but - then again why would a customer write this - perhaps a drunken employee angry enough to grasp at straws - kinda telling - you satisfied customer you, doesn't Firco have a shinning star for you.

LMAO this is classic!

Satisfied customer - why would a satisfied customer be so concerned with naming someone - sounds like someone has enemies and is picking @ straws - and then there is the bit about coming out like a man - does this company thinks its the Mafia - lets get this straight this is a website for disgruntled receivers of phone calls, (not the company trying to redeem itself) how it gets to someone naming complainants picking them out of the hat and giving real or fake addressees to boot - so the President is ok with the counter attack approach - ok very transparent satisfied customer - so lets get this straight your satisfied to give $1.00 knowing that less then 20 cents goes to your intended target - I think not - oh lets all give to Firco it is so satisfying so much so that we attempt to run down complaintents who dare curse the company whom keeps 80 cents of that $1.00. This is my point the caliber of employee here is not what we think they are as they invade our homes with super nice guy approaches. This is not the first time in this post that it is obvious the employees are pretending to be satisfied customers to dilute the complaints - corruption - plain and simple! Hey Firco take the flame of public opinion like men - your collecting publicly!
Can it be possible that you have truly annoyed people so as they find out about you and websites such as this - no that is not possible because callers such as yourselves whom are very unefficent collecting for a certain cause but collect a lot of money away from the community, are always good law  abiding citizens - figure we the receiver of such a call are suppose to idly sit by  (we our the criminals for gosh sakes)as you nice guy us to death or try and run down a complaintent giving out addresses - this is over the top. As  a company you really need to review what represents your company - anyway you look at this - this is a public nightmare - isn't there a website for you call room people to complain about the calls you make - oh yea that is a bar! This is our bar - go away let us complain in peace.

609 Purdue St.
Raleigh, NC 27609

*** This fellow often tries to rent rooms, out of a house that does not belong to him.  It belongs to his 89 year old mom who he has verbally abused in front of witnesses.

Timothy Charles Dunn.................TCharlie.

It looks to me that Keith Wilder is not 'hiding' behind a screen name on here like you are.  TCharlie why don't you be a man and quit hiding?  Yep, you do indeed come across like a former disgruntled employee who is desperately grasping at straws.  What a sham artist.  Why don't you post your real name?  By hiding behind a screen name you give yourself absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

I found this site to be informative, I for one will not be spending my hard earned money with an organization that gives so little to the people they claim to care so much about and annoy the good citizens while doing so. The fire department needs to be helped whenever possible - the third party collection agency needs to be removed from the equation. This is not an efficient way to support the fire departments!

This is a bunch of bull. I came on to find out what was going on and who called me only to find s an argument between what looks like 2 or 3 people. I though this site was so I could find out who called, why do i need to read peoples opinon of things they prob don't know anything about. I have helped out my Raleigh Firefighters for years and will continune to do so. ALL I WANT TO KNOW WAS WHO CALLED ME!!!! thank you for wasting 2 hours of my time reading this bull

Get em TCharlie!

in reading all that I wrote one I gave you more credit I wrote you keep 50 percent and gave 50 percent minus the skimming -  well I was wrong according to post it is 86-14 read that carefully and as  previously mentioned it is my understanding their is only one manager not a staff so of the population that I am saying skims could be anyone of that population - to be honest my knowledge does not really include management being that the management team is just the one person - my mistake was considering non telemarketers as part of the management team, according to my sources in this case that is not the case and only one manager resides - and my information does not support "the manager" as wrong doers other then that I am ready for you. I wrote that very poorly I would admit I could see where someone could think the skimming was at 50 percent  level which would be astronomical - never was that my intention and I read it as 50/50 - skimming   but I could see how someone else could read that another way! Your not gonna back me down from what I know to be the truth!  I am allowed to speak from my knowledge base freely my knowledge base supports my criticism/and accusations with the exception of confusing what the management team was. I have now cleared that up! I am ready for you - you will have a fight on your hand in court if you choice that path.Your mistake was to assume I am wrong - but that is you.

Thank you 800 notes for this forum, without you I am not sure this group would have any accountability
to President:
I do appreciate you adding the past employees which among the collection people I am quite sure there are several felons - felons would not be allowed in the fire department, thus a discrepancy between the agencies (honor). Sure your legally allowed to hire them but they are calling our homes not yours under the disguise of the fire department in a pressurized situation no sale no money. Nor is it a stretch, to think someone in your sales department does not sale adds that don't make the books - one would just need to look at past magazines and demand the paperwork for each add - I am sure that answer would become abundantly clear. Collections of money(incoming-mail) - whom does this  - does one person do this or two? (understand you might not be able to answer that in open forum for security reasons) A simple lie detector test would be a good way of finding truths might I suggest the questions? if any of this is true or part of it is true - then the corrupt status in the intention I meant - is in fact true. The use of Rob's name - he is not the answer is not derogatory and he is not part of that management team - my investigation finds he might be your first choice to clean it up. Management team perhaps is my only mistake - I should of said all non telemarketers on staff - so I make that correction, which does include management by default. My investigation finds very little on you Mr Wilder. No past accommodations for bravery, no history is popping up - I don't question your former affiliation with the fire department but seeing your knee jerk reactions in an open forum intended for us the telemarketed not you the telemarket-er has vastly lowered my opinion. an opinion you do not appreciate I sure. Your need to attack criticism or even accusations  with the threat of law suits put's the icing on the cake. When that criticism/accusations comes from a thread on a forum designed for complaints. Look it all the advantages you the telemarketer have on us, and you use that information to your benefit, but attempt to deny us an outlet - it is over the top wrong! You take the kindness of others as a livelihood (I know you claim to receive no benefits) and when somebody questions you - you use the resources intended for kindness to attack - should I buy a gun now is your next step to have me offed with your almighty power? Power obtained by the disguise of charity. Your aggressiveness in a situation where it is pretty obvious a picture already has been painted of fire department/police department collection funds  nationwide that is not far from the one i have painted makes me think thee protest to much. but you already know this. No names have been used so thus damages you might be able to seek (I think I can prove my points by the way) would be minimum and have a dramatic impact on your collections in the area - we all know this! Your law suite would make the news! This thread would make the news!  The subject matter would certainly interest the general public as they are on the unexpected receiving end of rude behavior because you deem it necessary to collect in this fashion. I almost forgot substance abuse, if 8 people have been arrested for drugs and/or  DUI's on staff in the past since your included that or presently - that is not a false statement (honor of fire department for which you represent would not allow 1)- kinda guess I can't be wrong there. This is a forum for discussion - instead of threatening as if your some union boss how about communicate to the people who you should be indebted to for your success, you fail to do that . As a leader you just try to over power with the money you have already collected under the disguise of charity. How can one person stand up to the money your group siphons - thanks to 800notes I can! I am asking for your resignation your attempt to use heavy handed tactics from collected funds because someone claims your public company is corrupt.in a forum designed for complaints is a misuse of power/funds and doing so with no investigations to the claim as an 8 am post indicates further shows your personality to be less then charitable - your leadership appears not to about the fire department (14%) rather keeping your cash cow rolling (86%)

they collect money from us when, catching us by surprise and then use that money to sue - wow - that is great for PR

Rpffa President my comments in this open forum are provable, not sure how damaging they have been, the statements I have made are truthful - now will that money for litigation come from the 14 percent you give to the fire department - your fighting the public whom is turned off - this sad - you do what you need to do. Appears to me a new approach is needed!

Telemarketing for charity is very expensive.  Even if the charity is legitimate the company making the calls typically keeps 60-70% of every donation to cover expenses.  Charities with Fire Department, Police, or Sheriff in the name are much worse, often keeping 95% of every donation to cover the cost of making the calls.  But you already know this.

Julia does not give out IP addresses.  She has been sued several times.  And she has won every suit.  Everyone who has sued her has had to pay her legal bills.  For more information read this thread:   http://800notes.com/arts/faq

TCharlie,

Nothing like getting a phone call telling me to take a look at this site.  Sorry to infuriate you, but I don?t troll this site daily.  I invite you to attack me all you want.  I knew I would be wearing a bulls-eye when I asked for this position.  However, you cannot anonymously call my management personnel thieves, in a public forum and think you are going to just walk away freely from the damage you cause.  That is libelous when you have no proof to back it up.  Your intent is obviously to cause harm to the management and employees of the RPFFA and FireCo using unfounded statements in a public forum.  Therefore, I intend to make you prove your case in a court of law.

I will try to ?communicate? more clearly.  You crossed the line and attacked innocent people with lies and the intent to do them harm.  Your First Amendment right does not protect statements which are false and defamatory in nature, particularly in the written form.  Be it known to you that I have spoken to a Wake County Magistrate today and I will be seeking legal counsel to pursue a tort claim against you on behalf of the RPFFA and FireCo, naming every past and present member of my management team as a victim.  I will follow the Dendrite procedure seeking a subpoena against ?Doe Defendant?, to compel ?800notes? to reveal your identity.

Keith Wilder
President
Raleigh Professional Fire Fighters Association

he was right when he siad that dudes name was vulger.  maybe you need to take another look.  what's your beef here anyway?  you sound alot like mad ex employee full of drama no wonder they go rid of you.  

anyway we missed a call from this number today and i just wanted to see what it was.

What we have here is a failure to communicate - it is totally obvious this being a forum for annoyed callers to a particular number - yet it has been inundated with people other then the complainants and or The Prez of the company for which the number pertains too - whom does one think would be an antagonist here - perhaps someone whom wants to defend this number. The very people whom annoy us with rude phone calls now attack intellectual pursuits claiming grammar as the reason for a stoppage to the flow of this conversation - intended to be nothing but a smoke screen - the nothing better to do guy - did you make a name up with nothing better to do because you had nothing better to do - na - you are being disruptive because you been disrupted. I hope Keith Wilder takes note and can see the obvious. Go Raleigh!

I guess I struck a cord it is obvious the last page of comments were intended to remove any negative press - guess someone is feeling the pressure - run your business better and the negative press will stop - keep being rude to people and it won't!

To Keith Wildler you did not just insult a persons named did you, if the person  is smart enough to know you only gave 14 percent via public information why insult his name (information you do not want us to have)- disappointing - perhaps you have under estimated our community I have given you the benefit of the doubt - but such a response - this is not a union state watch your mouth, 14 percent and before you respond ugly to me I know far more and your office is corrupt! - I am not sure this the forum - however I strongly urge you clean up the Raleigh Office and Rob would not be the answer. 14 percent - shameful clean Raleigh up or kindly leave our community!

Fireco is doing it, and the employees will sell you an add in exchange for something they need I am quite sure Keith is unaware of this but then he is not really available despite so much written that he is. Call the Office and ask for Keith Wilder - he is not their but the impressions are he is their as an active participant - shows his face at a few functions and then gone he knows very little about this community, he is not part of this community!!!!!!

I am well aware of the Raleigh fire fighters association, the phone operators are for the most part struggling individuals with some substance abuse issues, and the management skims from the top - as 50 cents on the dollar goes into their pockets minus the skimming the other half does go to the fire department. Keith Wildler I don't think is a Raleigh resident, and though his name is over everything good luck in getting in touch with him all numbers go to the office - never him. in fact I doubt the above response even came from him. It is a corrupt office, not sure about Keith Wildler he could be legit - but he certainly does little in the office. The office manager  skims the mail ins sent in to help support  before they even know it is missing. Most of the people here working have a criminal records - and do not represent in any way the honor of the Raleigh Fire department - Their interest is money, not the  fires - if you look at the fire alarms they give away of course they are the cheapest money can buy (nothing like false security)- they do their part to fool the Raleigh citizens into believing that their cause is to help Raleigh Fire fighters their cause is to get rich - their organization has been running for years in other parts of the state, Note their is no way to contact the President - what organizational president does not make himself available, one that has little to care about other then collecting your checks - The best we can do as citizens is to boycott such tactics and to tell others - most of the people their you would not want to converse with much less trust them with a donation. Some of these response I imagined are staged anything to get us to believe, and keep lining their pockets - would the real Keith Wildler please standup and manage your office and bring some honor to it - or kindly leave Raleigh and take your felony ridden staff with you.

Have received several calls from this number.  They hang up right after I say hello.  I've tried to call the number back but it never rings.  How can you block this number?

Got a couple calls from this number, at least one today.  Left no message and we long ago stopped picking up on callers we do not know.  Thanks to this service I can now confidently add this one to block list.