Rude, Rude, Rude!

Caller ID came up as Moore, C. (so you think that it's a personal phone??).  "Phyllis" began to speak the moment I picked up and gave the canned solicitation about the Shrine Circus and sponsoring children, when I replied that our business was not able to donate she said "Well, any small amount...it's not about me, it's about the kids..." I replied that I am well aware of whom it is about and said again, "Unfortunately, we will not be able to donate" and ended the call.

She called back telling me I was rude and unprofessional!! That in order for them to stop calling me she needed my last name and I told her "I'm sorry, I don't give that out".  She snapped back at me as I was hanging up the phone - "Well, they're just going to keep calling back then!!"

The Company that is making these calls for the Shriners used to be called Cunningham and Moore, but it now goes by the name Agente Communications; even though many of the older callers still use the name Cunningham and Moore on the phone. Their main phone number is 972-702-8600. If you call that number, someone in the processing department will answer the phone and you can ask to speak to whoever you need to, and they will transfer you. They do call nationwide, raising money for many of the local Shriners. Some people may call this a Shriner scam, Shriners scam, or Shriners telemarketing scam. I'm just going to list some of the facts as they stand to the best of my knowledge in 2013 and let you be the judge as to how you feel about your donations to this company calling for the Shriners.

The actual truth is that they have "cold callers" and "tap callers". A cold caller is a person who starts out with the company or who has been there a while and hasn't proven their sales ability yet. A cold caller basically calls cold off from a lead list that is organized by zip code. Cold callers call people who have never donated before (however, some of the numbers may include those who have but just by chance) in the hopes that they can get a donation. Once a cold caller gets a person to commit to giving a donation that donor then becomes a tap. A tap is basically a lead of a person who has donated before, a prior donor for the company. These taps, leads, are stored in a different database from then on out, and on your receipt you will see your tap number in the upper left or upper right hand part of the receipt. All the older receipts used to end with either just a number, or the letters top or bull depending on how valuable a donor you were. now they took the letters of and they end with no letters or just the letter t or b so donors would stop asking what that meant. Now a tap caller is a caller who has proven their sales ability and only calls taps, which are prior donors. Again there are different levels of taps depending on how valuable a donor you are: there are "room taps", "top taps", "bull taps", and even taps in what is called "the premier database".

As far as pay for callers is concerned, all callers are guaranteed to get $10 and hour as a base or commission, whichever is higher at the end of the week. The caller gets 35% of every "cold sale" made. So that means that if you have never donated to this company before then you are a cold sale and the caller gets 35% of your donation. As far as taps are concerned, the caller gets 20% of every "tap sale" made. Again, that means that if you have donated to this company then you are a tap sale and the caller gets 20% of your donation. Unfortunately it gets much worse sounding than that though, because most callers are not good enough on the phones to commission at the end of the week, so they just make the $10 per hour. What that means to you is that if a person only raised $800 in donations for the whole week, and that person worked 40 hours, then that caller made a paycheck of $400; and, therefore, that caller alone got 50% of your donation. Keep in mind that that is just the pay to the individual caller and there is a whole office of staff, office rent, etc, etc,.

So you may be wondering how much the top callers at Agente communications make? Well, there are about 5 bulls at this time at Agente Communications. A "bull" is what they call their very top callers. A few of these bulls consistently pull paychecks of $4,000 to $7,000 each and every week. Yes, you read that correctly, and I did not typo and add an extra zero by accident. I have repeatedly and first hand seen their paychecks and seen their weekly tmr report, which is a report off the donations they brought in. So for you big donors out there, listen up: if you donate $1,000 to a shrine circus or hospitals, then that caller you are on the phone with is guaranteed top get 20% of your thousand; again, factually if you donate $1,000 to a shrine circus or hospital or even a shrine golf tournament, $200 of your $1,000 check is going right into the pocket of the caller that is on the phone with you. Believe me I know I have been that caller many times.

So there are some of the facts as far as pay is concerned with the company called Agente Communication, formerly called Cunningham and Moore. I am thinking about starting a website describing the full range of my knowledge of this company in the hopes of giving donors a more informed decision of where their money is going. I will do so if some of you who reply on here would think you would be interested in seeing a website fully detailing this company and how it is run to the best of my knowledge. just reply to this message with your opinion.

By as I said this company calls over many parts of the country for local Shrines, raising money for their circus' and also hospitals, as well as the shrine charity golf tournaments. Here is a short list of many of the local Shrines that we called for while i worked there, along with the local Shrine name, its location, and the caller ID number that may have been in use at that time (keep in mind they change these numbers frequently to keep donors on their feet:

Hella Shrine Ciircus  (Dallas) and Shriners Hopsitals 972-702-2955 (however they have a few more numbers and i don't have them written down.

Al Amin Shrine Circus (Kingsville, Victoria, Hidalgo, Beeville, Alice, and Corpus Christie, Texas) 361-225-2584

Abou Ben Adhem Shrine Circus (Springfield, MO) not sure of the caller id number

Alcazar Shrine Circus (Montgomery, AL) 334-264-1104

Al Chymia Shrine Circus (Memphis, TN) 901-387-0448

Alhambra Shrine Circus (Chattanooga, TN) 423-892-9266

Al Menah Shrine Circus (Nashville, TN) 615-262-2502

Alzafar Shrine Circus (San Antonio, Seguine, Laredo, Texas) 210-892-0006

Beja Shrine Circus (Green Bay, Neenah, Shawano, Waupaca, and other cities, WI) 920-497-0079 and 920-494-3401

Ben Hur Shrine Circus (Austin, TX) 512-646-0025

Elf Khurafeh Shrine Circus (Lansing, Flint, and Saginaw, MI) 810-686-7411

El Kahir Shrine Circus ( Cedar rapid, Iowa City, Mason City, IA) 319-804-1750

El Karubah Shrine Circus (Shreeveport, LA)  not sure of the number off hand

El Maida Shrine Circus (El Paso and Odessa, TX) 915-351-3794 and 915-351-3566

Jerusalem Shrine Circus (Thibodeaux and New Oleans, LA) 985-725-9333

Kaaba Shrine Circus (Davenport, IA) 563-359-6354

Maskat Shrine Circus (Wichita Falls, TX) 940-766-3700

Karem Shrine Circus (Waco, TX) 254-420-0091

Orak Shrine Circus (Richton Park, IL) 219-886-9650

Rizpah Shrine Circus (Bowling Green, Owensboro, Hopkinsville, KY) 270-843-0340

Suez Shrine Circus (Midland, San Angelo, and many other cities, TX) 325-949-0009

Tripoli Shrine Circus (Milwaukee, Antigo, Fond Du Lac, Sheboygan, Union Grove, West Bend, WI) 414-443-0441, 920-497-0079

Zelzah Shrine Circus (Las Vegas, NV) 702-366-9150

Zuhrah Shrine Circus (Minneapolis, MN) 612-379-1011

OK that is a list of most of the Shrine Circus' that this company has called for while i worked there. Oh and by the way they also call for the AMVETS over many parts of the country, and the Dallas Sherifs posse (which they are currently using as a sponsor for Christmas supplies since they lost the Jaycees contract for it). So if you donate to the Shrine Circus or hospitals through this company then you will become a tap, and you will be called for the AMVETS or any other charity that this company holds a contrat for in your area. And, yes, the pay structure is the same for these other charities also.

So there you have it. That is the facts as I know them to the best of my knowledge at the time of this writing. I still want to make a free website that exposes all the rest of this company as well as the lifestyle of the top callers there and how your precious donations are spent (Such as the one who feels that it is necessary to wear several thousands of dollards worth of clothes every day and has multiple expensive vehicles that are all customized). I hope this message on this board proves valuable to those who are thinking about making donations to the Shriners through this telemarking company.

yup  and since youve donated, they are going to keep calling and calling and calling, until you have no donation history for the past year or 2...

Our business constantly gets phone calls from this number. It is the shriners. We have donated in the past but they call numerous times a year. We told them that our budget was used for yearly donations in Dec so now that it is a new year, it didnt take them long to start calling again.

actually its the real deal,

This number showed up on caller ID as C MOORE. When I told him his push for money to get kids, especially the disabled ones, to the circus sure sounded like total bunk with all the heart-tuggig sound bites he was spilling into the phone, he ended the call. The number did not match the Shriners locations for 30 miles in any direction when I looked them up.

Today at 11:27 am EST I received a call from this number. No voicemail was left. Oddly enough-I received two other phone calls from other numbers in that part of the country. I live on the east coast. I can't say that I've ever had a phone call come in from wisonsin/iowa period let alone 3 from different locations all within an hour of eachother. I will investigate the other numbers to  see if they are related

same scammer called again.  number from Moore C. 920 - 497-0079...message from a Jim Edwards to call him back.  not telling we what it is about, so I googled it....he gave me another number to call back 920-497-0555.  stop this scamming nonsense.  preying on people.."it's for a good cause"...but the leader of the Shirner's get's over a million salary?  scam.   lies.  deceit.   scum.  let the truth set you people free from your poor choice in profession..

Received call last night from Augustine (#1859) to donate to the Beja Shrine Circus.  The caller ID said C Moore so I answered it.  He gave his pitch about how the donation would help less fortunate, etc.  When I offered to make a donation on my credit card he advised they weren't taking credit cards so I assumed they would bill me like other agencies have in the past.  Instead, he advised me to put a check made out to Beja Shrine Circus with 'for deposit only' on the back in between my front door or under my doormat and they would have a courier service come pick in up in the morning.  About a half hour later a Wanda called from the same C Moore caller ID to 'confirm' the courier pick up in the morning.  This is a total scam so be alert!!!

Rec'd another call from this number on 2-10-12.   Caller ID says "C Moore" so I knew who it was .I answered and  she again asked for rebecca  I said "don't call here again." and I hung up.

Received a call about 8: PM on 2-9-2012.  Woman asked for Rebecca.  I told her she had the wrong number.  Then I looked it up on here.

We received repeated messages from "Paul Mitchell" about Shriner's tickets.  
Paul claimed to be checking that we received his email about the tickets (but no emails were ever received because he does not have our email address).

Phone Number belongs to Cunninham and Moore (Owners of the Beja Shrine Circus)
Beja Shrine Circus-"Free Masons".
Wanting donations to send kids to the circus.
Call twice a week even though we are on the do not call list.

Good cause? (To see the circus) but anti-christian group. Freemasonry teaches that due-paying Freemasonry alone is one's guarantee for Heaven. Without any intervention needed by Jesus Christ.

Might be money better spent on donations to your local church.

It is some group calling for the  Shriner's  to try to get you to buy tickets to the Circus next month in Green Bay.. They call here 4 or 5 times a day..
Finally I called them back today and asked what they were selling. they were evasive at first but then said whom they were with.
told them to stop the calls and fax me something..

I'm on the Do Not Call list.  This is a business phone and the last call interupted a sales presentation in a corporate board room.  Very few companies have this number.  Any further calls will be reported to Glenn Lloyd at Consumer Protection In Madison.

I received a call from this umber on the 13th.  A guy's left a message "this is Bob Marks my number is still 497-0079".  His message sounded as if he was irritated that I had not called him back at some point.  I ALWAYS call people back so I knew that was not the case since the number he called was my business cell.

Received a voicemail from an Anna Schrunk who left the number 920-497-0079.  Called and was transferred.  She launched into a sales pitch to solicit donations for the Shrine Circus.

Got a call this morning.

Yeah, it's the Shrine Circus looking for money.  I told them I donated to PETA, and was promptly hung up on.

got this call 1-13-11 at around noon, she knew my first name and left a message saying she looked forward to speaking with me.

I got a call from this number and it was the Shrine Circus looking for money.  Little do they know I protest the circus!

Also got a call this afternoon from this number. The person said her name was Amber and that she was calling on behalf of Cunningham and Moore. Tried to return call but no answer.

Got a call this afternoon.  She wouldn't say why she was calling, but, left phone number.

It's the local Shriner's office.

Our church received a call with this number and extension 3433 given, stating that we were to call Nina who would be in the office until 4:30 pm and to call at the earliest convenience.  No business name or matter was given and when I called the number (after 4:30 when I was available) there was no answer and no outgoing message.

Got a call from this number this afternoon.  Said she was Tammy Banks and that it was a "business matter" and for my boss to call her.  I explained to her that if she didn't give me more information about who she was and what it was about my boss will never return her call.  She seemed a little slighted and asked "what do you want to know?" She said she was calling from Cunningham and Moore and gave this number again saying it was a "business matter."