I just encountered these guys. I thought they were legit. Boy was I ever wrong. They sent me a second proof and it was all wrong. Then I found this here and thought oh boy...So I cancelled it and faxed it back to them telling it's cancelled. They're threatening me already, telling me I have to pay. The police are aware of these guys. The officer listed here also told me to call the City of Edm Business license group to lodge a complaint and investigation which I did.
They have recently been calling us saying they are from SMK Canada. Beware it is Cedar Publishing as is Canadian Credit Management.
annoyed in Lethbridge
This outfit has been harassing me for over 4 years for an add they placed in the so called "Alberta Paramedics Magazine" without my consent. The so called mag is a ratty, amateurish little flyer that looks like something I might have run off on a an old crank handle Gestetner machine 45 years ago. They publish similar flyers under the names of "Child Find" and a whole swack of other charitable / non profit organizations they have no affiliation with. They are very aggressive and persistent, demand credit card info and so on. If I stop answering one of the numbers they call from they simply start calling from another number or unknown numbers. It's very exasperating. If you have a small business and receive a call soliciting advertising for Paramedics Magazine, Child Find magazine or names of any other charitable or non profit org you might feel inclined to support, the best thing to do is say "not now" hang up, Google the number they called from to see how many complaints have been made about calls from that number, and then notify the actual organization that the so-called "publisher" claims to represent.
When the media contacts you again, please let me know. Just reply to my message with a number I can call you. They did the same thing to me last year, and now they're starting to send these Canadian Credit Management fax. With a little investigation, I would have discovered myself that it is from their office, but thanks for finding that out already. I would love nothing but to put this scam artist out of business at least (behind bars is what he deserves). I'll add my voice to yours, along with a number of associates I know who've had similar experiences. Thanks.
I dealt with these misleading advertisers in December. Their intentions are to make consumers believe that they are actually dealing with a Police Department. I thought I was dealing with the Edmonton Police. This is a Company run by this individual that is running an operation without contracts, without verifying anything in writing. When I contacted the Edmonton Police Department and the Canadian Police Association, they verified that they have no affiliations with this magazine, no revenue comes in their direction. This is FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION. Aggressive, rude, unprofessional.
WARNING TO ALL - DO NOT ADVERTISE UNLESS THEY CAN PROVIDE LEGAL PROOF THAT THEY ARE 100% OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE OUTFIT THEY DEEM TO BE REPRESENTING. DO YOUR RESEARCH AND NEVER AGREE TO ANYTHING OVER THE PHONE - YOU HAVE TO RUDE. PERIOD.
wat a crook
DO NOT EVER GIVE IN AND PAY , THEY R AS PHONY AS ATHEY COME U WEREN'T SCREWED THEY WERE. EVERYONE KNOWS MOE NAJMADEINE IS THE BIGGEST CROOK YOU'LL EVER MEET!!!!
THERE IS NO COLLECTION COMPANY AT LEAST NOT A LEGIT ONE , THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING AND THEY HAVE NO COMPUTERS ITS ALL DONE ON PAPER....NO COMPUTER TRAIL. SUCH SCAMMERS!!!
We just got screwed by him as well. Said yes on the phone, but when discussed with my GM we decided not to go ahead. His assistant Barb threatened, told us the phone conversation was taped. Hides behind a unlisted number and answering service. Didn't realize how crooked this guy is. I am putting together a list of consumer advocates in the media, police associations (this guy comes across like he represents them) I am not letting this go. 50 unanswered complaints at the BBB. Here is an example of the emails I received from him and his henchwoman Barb.
I think it is time we get some media consumer advocates involved. This guy deserves jail time
"You bought an ad, black and white plain and simple. You tried to renege on your commitment and we are now forcing you to honor the commitment you made. Keep in mind that no one forced you buy the ad in the first place."
"Bottom line is you bought the ad and you are paying.
Anything else or we done now?
"Unfortunately, upon receiving a proof it is too late to cancel as services have already been provided on your account based on your conversation with our sales rep. The call was recorded in case you do not recall your commitment and feel free to contact our office and we will play the recording for you."
This guy is still up to his own tricks. His phoney Police Magazine is trying to extort money from our company. Was just going to ignore this, but after reading all these post I might as well join the party and harass the hell out of this shyster. Might be fun.
PS: Has anyone, besides the people that contributed to the cost of Moe's new house, ever seen any of these magazines? I surely haven't. I would bet the only people that see these magazines are the naive people who pay this con artist for this bogus advertising scheme. Bet he only sends a magazine (most likely just a booklet) only to the people that send him money. I would also bet he steals content from other reputable publications to put in it. So if anyone has one of these magazines that may be a way to get him. Check out the content and have the content owner sue him for copy-write infringement.
Wow your peeps is kicking against you Moe Najmedine. Moe you are just a straight up crook. What the different between Moe and a crack hustler?? NONE!!! People have insulted Arabs and Muslims the same dawn as if you were a crack dealer. Man you a disgrace to your race...FOO!!!! LOL...JAJAJAJAJA!!!!
Heads up.....now the number that displays for Cedar Publishing is
877-145-6392 Displays as Main HD of....
Caller says her name is Cindy Finch calling on behalf of 'Missing Kids News Magazine'
This is Cedar Publishing in Edmonton. Do not answer these calls. and if you do happen to ....say no to all questions and hang up.
No amount of asking to be removed from their call list is effective whether verbally or in writing.
Us too. This is COPYCAT what we are going through. I just the other day got the letter from Canadian Credit Management... pay up blah blah. We have sent them all of the proof and what knot that they ran the ad knowing we did not want it. And they won't give up. Anyway, I just wanted to let everyone here know I called a lawyer here in town and inquired. Here is what he told me. 1) If there is no signature, there is no contract, so they have no case .. 2) Basically its all fear and bullying to threaten to go to court because lawyers won't look at a lawsuit under 6 figures because its not worth it. and 3) ( MY FAVORITE and you can tell them this if you decide to talk to them for the 47th time)... You can not collect past due accounts after 2 years. There is a statute of limitations. 2 years is it. SO, as some of you have said, they are still hounding after 2 years you can tell them to F off and go ahead and sue. Times up. Knobs. The lawyer said basically ignore them.
Google Canadian Credit Management they are non existant what a scam artist that Moe thinks he is!!
better yet I can tell you where he lives!!!! follow him from his office he drives a black lexus!!
I wouldnt even bite in to this b***s*** if someone on here is defending Moe or his company its either himself typing the b***s*** or an addicted employee of his! Moe you are the biggest loser Ive ever met and someday you will have your judgement day!!!!
JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT MOE ALSO OWNS A LIMO COMPANY...PASS THE WORD AROUND NOT TO RENT FROM HIM EITHER. IF YOU PAY UPFRONT YOU'LL NEVER GET YOUR LIMO RIDE. HIS PUBLSIHING COMPANY MUST BE COMING TO AN END SINCE HE HAS STARTED THIS VENTURE. YOU ARE A JOKE MOE!!!!
OMG I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING FOR THIS MORON...I LEFT AFTER A FEW DAYS. HE THINKS HES SO TOUGH AND BAD YET IF HE KNEW HOW HATED HE IS AND HOW MANY PPL WANT TO SINK HIM HE WOULD BE SMART TO GO HOME TO LEBANON.
THE ONLY REASON THEY ARE IN BUSINESS IS BECAUSE THE OWNERS BROTHER IS A POLICE OFFICER....
ALMOST FELL OF MY CHAIR LAUGHING AT SOME OF THESE REPORTS!! FIRST OF ALL WE ALL KNOW THIS COMPANY IS A SCAM. SECOND OF ALL THE ONLY COLLECTIONS PPL CONTACTING YOU IS THERE DIRECT EMPLOYEES TRYING TO GET YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THIS GREEDY SELFISH OWNER WOULD SPEND MONEY ON A REAL COLLECTION AGENCY TO ENFORCE PAYMENT?? THIS COMPANY EMPLOYS ALCOHOLICS, GAMBLERS AND DRUG ADDICTS SO YOU CANT EXPECT ANY HONESTY FROM ANYONE AT CEDAR PUBLISHING. EVEN THE OWNER HIMSELF BIG BAD MOE IS A LAUGHHING STOCK OF HIS COMMUNITY WHO TRIES TO BE A HIGH ROLLER BUT IS SO DISRESPECTED HE IS A SHAME TO SOCIETY!!! KARMA WILL BITE THIS MAN IN THE A** SOON ENOUGH BE PATIENT KARMAS ONLY A BI*** WHEN YOU ARE AND KARMAS GONNA GET HIM!! THE NEXT CALL YOU GET REPORT THEM FOR HARRASSMENT AND LETS SHUT THESE LOW LIFE SCAMMERS DOWN!!!!!
This company is nothing but a scam!!!!!!! I was employed with this organization and even got ripped off by the Owner Moe, am yet to hear one good thing about this scam artist!!! BEWARE!!!!!
July 2013 and somehow Cedar Publishing is still able to keep going. They make sure they invoice small enough amounts that don't warrant too much action. They hope you won't be bothered enough to contact a lawyer or anyone else.
They call endlessly, no messages, bogus phone numbers that calls can't be returned on.
But, all of the 'news magazines' swirling in the toilet bowl all lead to Cedar Publishing.
The plan seems to be to wear honest people down until they pay for something they never wanted or asked for......a very dismal sad way to make a living.
The last call we got turned nasty as soon as we said 'no thank you & please remove us from your calling list.' Honestly, Oscar of Cedar Publishing , the last I checked we have every right to refuse to place an ad in any publication we do not want to advertise in. We do not have to place an ad with you in order to prove we are community minded & support good causes. Believe me, we support good causes that really exist and produce real community help and aid.
I truly hope you taped our last conversation as I repeated told you 'No thank you' to your ad. And I especially hope you taped the part where I told you to remove us from ALL of your 'news magazine' call lists.
That way you can be quite sure of what I said.
This is Cedar Publishing, as confirmed by the poor soul that called me.
This number comes up as Armour Group under 780-701-3719.
They also use 780-701-3723 under the name of Stan Devor.
They seem to be getting wise to the fact that we can block their calls.
It feels good to know that I am not the only one. I never authorized a proof either, here it is 5 years later and I get a call from a collection agency! These people are scam artists! I will be calling the above mentioned RCMP Officer.
We told them they were a scam and that Moe is a scum bag and begged them to take us to court. They just kept calling and finally went away. I miss the calls from the gravel voiced woman who changes her name from time-to-time pretneding to be someone else. Don't pay.
Don't worry! We've been playing this fun little game with Cedar Publishing for FOUR years next month (good times!)
We've been insulted, attacked, threatened, blablablablabla. They've told us they're going to send us to collections, which is awesome, because I'm totally ready to take their fake invoicing scam to another level. They sent us a letter from Canadian Credit Management too telling us to "Govern Yourself Accordingly" (which is hilarious, since they're scam artists.)
Anyways, this so called letter doesn't even have our name on it, and it's a crooked photocopy. No legit collections agency just send out letters without a name! FURTHERMORE - and this is the very best part - the number on the Canadian Credit Management letterhead is 888-454-3349.
The number for Cedar Publishing is - hold your horses, here's where it gets good - 780-454-3349.
Yeah. These morons are using their own regular phone number, adding an 888 exchange (which is just a toll free forwarding service - it goes right to the 780 mailbox) and pretending to be a collections agency. Boy, aren't they just so darn crafty?
Throw your letters and invoices from Cedar Publishing in the garbage. They're fraudsters, they're ripoff artists, and your heard earned money should never, ever be in their greasy little palms.
Looking for some guidance here, I have been dealing with this joke of a company for 1.5 years now over a 259.88 dollar invoice. It started with them telling me my husband agreed to the ad. Which they have a voice recording they play back to us which doesn't even sound right, it sounds like it is had be tampered with. They phone and demand payment, have insulted me for saying they are a scam. When I mentioned calling the police they left us alone for a while and told me I was crazy and he was going to call the police on me for not paying my bill. I did in fact call the police and reported it , the officer said there has been several complaints about the company, and at least have a report of conflict on file with them.
They have recently started phoning and faxing and mailing us the bills again, claiming if we don't pay it is going to collections Canadian credit Management 888-454-3349 is on the letter regards, by a Leah Greenway. Wondering what everyone else has done, did you give in and pay and if not did it ever end up in collections?
Can't scam me
I have been dealing with this same issue for over three years now, a proof was faxed to me, I shredded it and ignored it, yada yada, same story as everyone else. Three years later, I still get the threatening calls, and I get a collection notice threatening a lawsuit from a company called Canadian Credit Management stating they were hired by cedar publishing to handle my case....odd part is, it was faxed from cedar publishing, I traced the number. Threatening phone calls, even been called dead beat scum by one of their employees. Last year i was even contacted by the CBC national news. They sent a reporter and camera crew to my home and we conducted an interview regarding this issue and the way they improperly conduct their business, they found out about them from one of the many forums online with numerous reports of the same issues. I have always said if they can produce a proof to me that has my signature authorizing it, I will pay the bill within minutes, but they cannot. Do a little homework everyone, they practice a technique called a Negative Sale Option. Simply put, by not signing the proof and faxing it back, it gives them the authorization to run the add. In Canada, that is illegal. The Service Alberta website states "it is an offense to use Negative Option to sell goods or services". The Fair Trade act, Division 3, Negative Option Practices definition "Negative Option Practice means a consumer transaction in which a supplier (a) provides goods or services to a consumer, including the enhancement of a service that a consumer is already receiving, that the consumer did not request, and, (b) requires the consumer to pay for the goods or services unless the consumer informs the supplier that the consumer does not want the goods or services. chapter 22 "A consumer is not Liable to pay for any goods or services received under a negative option practice". Chapter 23, "No supplier may supply goods or services to a consumer through a negative option practice". Check the bottom of the proof they send you. Mine clearly states, and I quote direct from the copy of my proof, "please fax your approval, or changes back as soon as possible to (780) 454-3206, if we do not have any changes back by (date) 3 pm, we will assume it may run as is. This is a clear contravention of both Service Alberta, as well as the fair trade act. Unless their lawyers have more power than the Government and are able to overrule the Fair Trade Act, then they are clearly breaking the law. Stand up for yourselves everyone, they are trying to bully everyone, I saw on another forum they did this to a sixteen year old and charged him over $900.00, he was too young to understand they were in the wrong and he was not, so he used the money he saved from working all summer and paid it. I really do hope they decide litigation against me. With both the government and the Fair Trade Act on our sides, I would love to make an example of them. My next step is CTV Edmonton, the people helper would be great publicity for this to inform everyone. I'm thinking a class action suit won't be far away against them, they have already been sued by Edmonton Fire Rescue, the City of Edmonton, and Crimestoppers...all of which Cedar Publishing decided to settle out of court to avoid any prosecution. Due Diligence everyone, hold your ground, they are breaking the law and the only way to stop them is educating yourself with the correct knowledge and passing on the knowledge to everyone you know to help them!
This has been going on for me since Aug 2010 today is April 23 2013.
Please contact the Canadian Competition Bureau and file a complaint. BBB does not do this besides Cedar has a F rating with them, Cedar refused in 2010 to take anymore complaints from BBB after over 45 were sent to them. These people are scam artists and use scare tactics and intimidation, they want you to just give in and pay them to go away.
Hold strong and just stop taking all their calls, ignore them and file your complaint with the Competition Bureau.
Same story gave them money for a couple of years, recieved a notification from actual Child Find stateing there organization does not solicit money and are not affiliated with this publishing company. Had my secretary look into it and red flags started poping up every where reported them to BBB CFIB YOU NAME IT.Received call today Lea ext #226 ( Actual Answering Service For 16 Companies ) answering service at 10 in the morning Really ? I gave to help find missing kids not pad somebodies pocket .
My new Friend Pat
I just got of the phone with Pat Armstrong. Was a bit misled at first....she came over as a legit person for a sec. But I realized soon that it would be silly to hunt me down for a stand out payment for a little-bit over $200.- for an advertisement they published without my permission 3 years ago. I never signed to approve. 'But we have a verbal recorded agreement' Pat said and according to her that was the same as signing a contract. She was loosing her mask here a bit and the devil came a bit through in her voice. I stayed calm and suggested that I would like to contact my lawyer first and asked for her information. And then I googled and BINGO! Same place I end up every time after a new caller is put on my case. So nice to be not alone! I feel for you all people.
Curent Employee....I have a suggestion how to help us out....PLACE A FREAKING BOMB! And you will receive the Nobel Price for Peace.No don't do it, I am just ranting. But gather as much evidence and step to the police. Be an undercover spy with back up.
They can't put it to collections because there is no proof. An invoice from them doesn't count. They are infuriating, and relentless, but they can't ruin your credit. It's all words to blackmail you into paying a fake bill.