do not give these ppl any info!!! it is an ongoing scam out of india they will claim you owe a payday loan and they will arrest you #1 a loan company can not threaten arrest or use foul language w/e you do dont give them any info or verify any contact the FBI homeland security and the local attorney general

This Phone number keep call my Job asking for me, and when I ask who they are they say I'm with the Federal Government crime prevention, then start talking like a bill collector and eash time I ask them question the people tranfer men to another person.

what you need to do is Call the Federal Trade Commission and explain that this collection company because this is who they are. and the Federal Trade Commission will handle it..

Need to find out who it is.

Most of you are aware there are many scams called Nigerian check scheme, etc. Well we at Performance Cycle ,where we sell motorcycles, do sell and ship Nationwide and on occasion international.

The scammers secure a price for an item and then send a check for more than that amount and then ask for you to "wire" the money back to them because checks in their country take months.

They seem to be untouchable by law..the FBI can do nothing..local authorities, etc. We called them and received no assistance.

But what will follow is a lengthy read I like to call " Messin with the scammers". As we would have been a victim....



Let me brief you and then I will share the e mails that have been sent back and forth. You will laugh and laugh...and this is free.

We have a website www.uzedcycles.com

and are contacted by many people inquiring about motorcycles we have for sell..and occasionally some of them are in a foreign country where the purchase is secured thru "wiring the money" as this is the most sure way to conduct business outside of the USA.



So the first contact as you will see is from an e mail from a guy named Victor Brown in Dubai..just basic information is passed between he and myself..Then he wants the bike which is a 2007 Yamaha YZF 600 for $4100.00.

So the money is to be wired, I send him wiring instructions as this is secure...then oddly he asked for the physical address of the bank to complete the wire transfer..it could hurt nothing..so I comply.



He lets me know the money has been wired and to be on the lookout for it...



Then he sends an e mail stating "overpayment alert"..his secretary has made an error and sent $41,000 and to please contact him immediately so we can wire that money back.



I inform him it was a check sent Fed Ex to our bank ( our bank had called us and said it arrived, we asked them to hold the check and went to get it and there was no watermark and had a misspelled word) A side note...we had contacted the bank name on the check which was out of Massachusetts and they informed us it was "no good" and we called the FBI and they could not assist us at all..



But we decided to mess with him.They were many phone calls where we set him up as well as emails to add to this delightful read....simply because people are falling for this crap..and we decided to mess with his head and cause him some stress as I am sure he has done this for awhile..



Victor was told over the phone that I was wiring the money per his instructions...then that I got busy..then I left early..then no one could find me..and then from my boss ..that I had withdrew $41,000 from the account and was gone and no one could find me..

And the e mails are meant to string him along as long as we can..



Curse words have been omitted for your safe reading pleasure...



Dear sir/ madam, I will like to make inquiry about the purchase for the under listed,please get back to me with more details. 2007 YAMAHA YZF 600 Motorcycle If you do have the above in stock, kindly, contact me with details about its purchase, Which includes:The price and location..etc Regards, VICKY
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Good morning:
We do still have this bike available and it is a one owner.. What city, state do you live and I can give an approximate cost to you ?out the door?.
 Regards,
Dale
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Hi Dale,    
   Yes i am interested and will like you to make a proforma invoice on my company details:

BROWN & SONS MACHINERY AGENCY LIMITED.
112 SHEIK SAHEED ROAD,
CROWN PLAZA,18TH FLOOR.
DUBAI, U A E. 97150.
C/O: VICTOR BROWN.

And send it along with your bank full details so the payment can be made asap.
I look forward to your response.

Thanks,
VICTOR BROWN
CEO/DIRECTOR.
BROWN & SONS MACHINERY AGENCY LIMITED
DUBAI, U. A.E
CELL: - 00971551785582
LAND: - 0097142295949
FAX: - 0097144221393






Victor:

Please let me know if you have any questions...

Enclosed is the Bill of Sale and the wiring instructions for the 07 Yamaha
YZF 600

Dale

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Hi Dale,
I am writting to confirm the receipt of the invoice and bank details, please confirm branch address of the Snickers Bank, also confirm the benefiary name and may i ask if that is the bank you bank with and clears cheques?
Just like to know all this so i can explain better to my bank in order to avoid mistakes when transferring money.
I look forward to your respons.

Regards,

VICTOR BROWN
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Hi Victor:

Everything I sent you is correct?with the wiring instructions showing the local bank information, etc.
 Just let me know when this will be initiated and we will pull the ad from the internet..
 Thanks
Regards,
Dale Estill

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Yes you're right have just went through it properly. However my bank will need the branch address because i have to feel it in the form, its the new rules here.
Thanks for understanding,will let you know once the money is sent early next week.
We await the bank branch address to proceed.

Regards

VICTOR BROWN

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Hey:

Here you go..
3310 Snickers  Blvd
Pensacola, FL 32505
Regards,
Dale Estill
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Hello Dale,
   Sorry for the late response,i am happy to confirm to you my account department as transferred the money today and our bank said it will take 3 to 4 working days to arrive your account.
Please keep an eye on it as it may arrive faster than expected but will try as much as possible to get you transfer details in full on or before Friday because i am out of office tomorrow.
Thanks for your patience and i look forward to a successful transaction

Regards,

VICTOR BROWN
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Hi victor

Do you have a tracking number ?

Sent from my Cellular South BlackBerry® Smartphone
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Goodmorning Dale,
       Just arrive office this morning and find out my accountant as transferred more than the agreed amount into your account,instead of  $4,100.00 she mis-quoted me and sent $41,000.00 to your account.
    Please keep an eye on it and revert to me as soon as you receive such amount in your account so i can give instructions on where to send the difference.
I look forward to your response.

Regards,



VICTOR BROWN
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Hey Victor:
The money was not wired, which is not a problem at all, but was sent Fed Ex and our bank did call us on this matter.
Now the Honda CBR you were getting, will the shipper contact us? Just let me know on that so we can drain the gas or have it crated, etc. Wow I bet you were upset that $41,000 was sent?I would be so mad?.no problem though?Would you like the balance of $36,900.00 in the form of a check, cashiers check or would you like it wired? Let me know and I will expedite this tomorrow or Monday morning.
 Regards,
Dale Estill

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Hi Dale,
 Thanks for the honesty,yes i was really upset when i noticed the mistake but i am happy you're God fearing and honest business man.
Regards to the excess funds, i want it wired via swift to the bank details provided below because US cheque takes months to clear here in dubai:

Bank Name----  ABU DHABI COMMERCIAL BANK

Bank Address---- AJMAN BRANCH, U A E.

Account Name----- AWALI CISSE  ELECTRONIC TRADING LLC.

Account Number---- 664 858 244 001

Swift Code---- ADCBAEAA

It will really be appreciated if you can get the transfer done today AM at your bank so my shipping agent can contact you asap to arrange the pick up next week,please email the confirmation copy once transfer is completed so i can have my bank trace it up.
I must confess how worried i was when i noticed the mistake but your response calmed me down and i hope we do more business in future
I look forward to your response.
Kind regards,

VICTOR BROWN
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Hello,

I was instructed to contact you by Mr Victor Brown regards the pick up of the bike,I'll appreciate it if you can fix an appropriate date and time that will be suitable for the pick up and don't forget to send the best direction from the nearest airport to your location so we can send a representative from the state.

Regards.
Aero Freight (Emirates) LLC
Dubai, PO Box 50923, Aweer, Dubai
Tel: +971 501674115
Fax: +971 4 333 8960
email: aerofrt@emirates.net.ae
Website: www.aerofrt.com
Manager: Ipe Joseph

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Victor:
I am having a hard time being honest?I really need some money right now and I figure I should just take it?I know it sounds horrible, but I have 8 kids and my wife is pregnant again and I need more out of this life.
I have been depressed for awhile and contemplated just shooting myself?and then this mistake happened and I have all this extra money?
Well, as you can tell I have been drinking?left work early faking sick..they had to call in a temp named Steve and I am at home getting plastered?.
 I can still do the right thing I know?would you be willing to loan me $5000 of this money so I can take a vacation with my family?  I can pay you back, I promise..I am a man of my word..I just have a gambling problem and I likes to drink a lot?only had this job 2 months now..
Let me know?.
 Regards,
 Dale Estill
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Actually this is rediculous!!! You can't be serious, are you? At first i thought the company belongs to you and now you stated you just joined 2months ago.
I am really confused right now,i understand you can have some personal problems but i need you to know everyone does have a problem one way or the other.
Firstly, as my shipper contacted you and when can they arrange pick up? I need you to call me on my cell phone to discusss this i think i can help but we need to talk it out on phone.
I look forward to your response.

Regards

VICTOR BROWN


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Victor:

As you have probably have guessed by now..I have taken the money..
 I just was trying to do the right thing, but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I am sending this on my new laptop and I just arrived in Las Vegas and I am going to do a lot of drinking and gambling?
 The owner of the bike shop had no idea that I was thinking of this or he wouldn?t have let me close to the funds?.my phone is shut off and I have a new one and I will send it to you later because I plan to pay all of this back to you?I am not a stupid person, I can gamble real good?I once won $2000 on a trip to Vegas?it is a gift?I had to shut my phone off cause I have left my wife and getting out of town?.eventually I will make it to Mexico..I will be protected there from the police..?the owner does not know anything yet?he was so busy being out of town and vacationing and I had full access to the account?and it will probably take him a month to discover what I have done..
On a personal note?I am sorry?.I am not a bad person?I can make this money up by the weekend and I may even hand deliver it to you in cash?.I did not even have a car..took the bus back and forth to work everyday?now I can eat wherever I want and party..
 
I don?t feel good about what I have done, but I got to think about me..you know? I have no life, no friends and worked 2 months at that shop and before that I worked wherever I could and tried to be a good person?I may go to confession later even though I am not Catholic..maybe it will help?
 Anyway I am rambling?.I just wanted to be honest and tell you directly what I have done?I took it, and I am a little sad and disappointed with myself..but I can make this up?you have my word on that?and my word is solid?
 I tell you what , when I pay you back..I will give you an extra percentage..to equal maybe $5000 more?.I hope this helps?.print this out and save it?I will honor my word?.
 Time to do some drinking and gambling now?.I kind of feel like I should say thanks..but I know that would not be appropriate?so I will e mail you later..after I win?
 Regards, Dale Estill

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PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO READ THIS MESSAGE TO UNDERSTAND MY PLIGHT CLEARLY.

Now i understood your plight clearly but i want you to consider me from this end and imagine what i can also be going through with my client here,i'm left with nothing in my account,i'll be glad if you can send me $10k right about now and send the rest later as regards to your promises not to let me down.
I'm in a deep doo doo now and no where to turn please endeavour to send the money $10,000.00 via western union money transfer agent AS SOON AS YOU CAN TODAY to relieve me from the heartbreaking PROBLEM .
Here are the informations needed to send the money:

Victor Brown
12,Jumeirah Beach Road
Dubai,U.A.E.
97150..........................................................$5,000




John Muller
Victor Brown
12,Jumeirah Beach Road
Dubai,U.A.E.
97150..........................................................$5,000

Here are the informations needed to receive the money after the money has been tranfered.
MTCN for the two transactions and sender's name incase you are going to send someone to send them on your behalf.
 I'm anxiously waiting for a fruitful response.

VICTOR BROWN
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Victor:

Please answer this question....has my old boss contacted you?
I discovered that he has found out about my dishonest behaviour and he is so upset.

I just came in from gambling and I have earned an extra $15,000 tonight alone....I thought my luck was getting better...but Darren and Steve are apparently out to get me and are seeking help from a local police agency to track me down......they cannot find me if I am careful.....

I am booked at the Mandarin Oriental Las Vegas Hotel thru Sunday...I am under a different name though...but after that I may need to leave the country before my luck runs out..

I can probably double my money and then I will have a lot to get me out of here...so on the $10,000 please wait until the end of this week and then I can possibly even fly there....for real...

How are the laws there? I mean can my boss send the authorities to come and get me? I can bring the cash with me and hand deliver it to you..

If the laws are too strict I may try Yemen or China...I just don't know....

This was too stupid and I can't go back to jail...It was the worst 15 years of my life and I won't go..

Can you help? I am not a bad guy as you can see by my communication...I plan to make things right with us as I feel we are like friends in a  way...well it is how I feel....I am a little...you guessed it....DRUNK...again....

I will contact you later..probably tomorrow...

Please don't tell him we have spoken...I can get you the money..just need some time...
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Dale

No your boss did not contact me i just called your office and they said your weren't present, i don't know or have to contact anyone cause its you have been dealing with all along..However,i can see you're really having good times there and am here facing problems with client as well as other family problems.

Considering coming to dubai with the money in cash, what will you be doing here after droping cash? you want to relocate here? well your choice.

I beg you to please have human feelings and consider what am going through as well,i understand yours that is why i didn't say much when i called the company but kindly send me western union today and why weekend when you have such huge amount in your possesion.

I have serious issues and i really hoped and trusted i was going to get the money back from you, even if you will use out of it please consider sending me $10,000.00 via western union to sort the issues at hand and later we can discuss how to get the rest .
I am short of words now but i hope deep in your heart you will at least pay $10,000.00 to saved my butt instead of ruining someones life.
I may be off bigger help tomorrow and if you think what you doing is right and no one can catch you then keep doing but all day for the thief and one day for the owner.
You're there drinking and am here having sleepless night all day long.
Remember the fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom.
Help send what i asked via western union so i can atleast feed and sort myself out with one or two clients

VICTOR BROWN
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Victor:

I am sorry to hear about your family problems..I too have had such bad experiences with family?I remember as a small child thinking of what I wanted to do when I got older for a living and I never guessed it would be living ?life on the run??
I found out thru e mail that the police have been to my house and seized my computer..I had all kinds of secrets on there?.
My soon to be ex wife will not e mail me but my son Charles is sneaking emails and letting me know what is going on?.
They think I am in California..not Vegas! And I use this G mail account and I am on a laptop so they can?t trace me..
I have not forgot about you and your money that I rightfully owe you..Like I have been saying I am a man of my word?just trying to have some fun and not trying to hurt anybody?really?I started getting in trouble when I was 15 dealing drugs in Columbia where I was born ..I lived with my Uncle Quervo there and he was nice to me but dealing drugs is not the route to go?I assure you?I spent some time in jail over there and then fled to the states and hid out for awhile and then stopped using and dealing drugs and got a job at McDonalds and made it all the way to shift leader making $6.89 an hour?.I did this for a few months and then quit because I could do more on the streets?
Oh I am rambling?I am up today $5000 and some change so to date I have 69,000 even after all I have spent?.
Please tell me are the laws in my favor in Dubaii?
I could live there like anywhere else?I hate to go to Columbia because I don?t want to get back into the cartel, etc.
Let me know?and hang on?.my luck is getting good?..I have some friends coming over tonight that I met and we are going to try some new drugs?

Regards,
Dale Estill
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Victor:

Guess what?

I hit it big last night..

I met Jackie Chan and Chris Rock right here in Vegas and they were good luck to me?they encouraged me to go big in the gambling and I have right now ..in cash $126,000 and I have been moved into a suite.

I know this fantasy will not last?and I have a few more days and then I am sure I will be found by my boss and the authorities?I think one of my kids told the cops where I ?might? be.

I am still under an assumed name and will be flying out Sunday night either to Mexico or Saudi Arabia or possibly Dubaii?I have cousins in Saudi but I want to make things right with you.

Putting any hard feelings aside?could you help me get relocated?you will have your money and I will give some extra for your trouble?.I just need to find out how to do this and Dubaii sounds better than Mexico?

Please don?t think this is untrue in any way..I am sober today?I know I have sent some drunken e mails, but please forgive me..I was having some fun?I plan to just relax these last few days and not gamble.

Please let me know right away..

Thanks


Regards,

Dale Estill
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IF YOU CAN'T SEND WESTERN UNION OF AMOUNT I REQUESTED FROM MY MONEY DON'T BOTHER EMAILING ME AGAIN OK
ITS WEEKEND ALREADY LIKE YOU PROMISED, YOU WILL NOT GO SCOT FREE, U CAN HIDE BUT U CANT RUN..


VICTOR BROWN


If you have all that money right about now, why can't you send me the $10,000 i asked of you? you're so mean and wicked.
Well dubai not bad to relocate, all you need is get ticket and you will be given 2months free visa at the port of entry. There is business you can do here which such amount of money but you need to clear my debt first.
I am not even ineterested in further conversation with you until you're able to at least send me $10k

VICTOR BROWN
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Okay, that is fair?.

I will call you when I get to Dubaii.and I will not just give you the $10,000 but will hand deliver $41,000 cash as it is what I stole..

I really am not mean and wicked?I just have never had a break in life?.my parents were killed by the drug lords in Columbia when I was young and I have just bounced around with different relatives for most of my life and now I have no family really to call on for support..

I was severely beaten a few years back in a drug deal gone bad and had 3 of my fingers cut off and was tortured for days because of my Columbia connections and I would not release the details of where my uncle was and was beat to provoke him to come out of hiding ?and now my worst fears is that I feel I have become like him..

Please don?t call me wicked and mean?.have you ever not made a mistake? Took something that wasn?t yours? It can affect sleep patterns and that feeling of guilt?So I am miserable.. and you are right..I know I can hide but I can?t run and also the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom?I have listened to your sayings.

I was brought to church on occasion and believe in God?and know that He may forgive me if I make this right?I have put you thru great suffering and for this I am truly sorry?I am not trying to play games?you are a businessman with much success and your client was just trying to buy a motorcycle and I have screwed it all up?I imagine the turmoil you must be going thru and to be called wicked and mean is so much to hear?? I JUST MADE A FREAKIN MISTAKE?.SAW SOMETHING THAT WASN?T MINE AND TOOK IT?I DID NOT THINK I JUST THOUGHT TO MYSELF THAT I COULD HAVE SOME FUN AND NOW IT HAS GONE TOO FAR?..for me to turn back?.I must find refuge?I have lost my wife, kids and what life I had for a poor choice I made?Please forgive me and help me make this right with you and your client..

I have caused all this trouble, I know?but I have to find a place to feel protected where I can start over ?I am too young to die?

So I know you may not want to communicate with me and I understand?I am checking out of the hotel here in Vegas tomorrow?.and headed to your country?and I will clear this debt.



Regards,

Dale Estill

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where is my money???

VICTOR BROWN
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Victor:

I am to catch the soonest flight which is for next Sunday via continental Airlines..and I am booked at the
Habtoor Grand Resort & Spa in Dubai

I will call you when I arrive...I am now in New York City with some friends...it was the soonest flight I could get.


Dale
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I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR TRIP TO DUBAI, ALL I WANT IS MY MONEY AND AM NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING A CROOK AND THIEF LIKE U

VICTOR BROWN
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Well Victor:

In our culture TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS YELLING?.are you yelling at me?

And calling me names?

That is not very nice..

I don?t have to be a nice guy at all?what is to keep me from keeping ?your? money.

If I were you I would show a little more respect..because I have the cash..

Keep being rude and I will keep it and come to Dubai just to be ?mean and wicked?..and not give you any of it..

I expect an apology soon..



Regards,
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WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SEND MY MONEY? AM SURE YOU ARE HAPPY LAVISHING BUT TRUST ME YOU WILL SOON BE CAUGHT.
I WILL NOT BEG YOU TO RETURN IT SINCE YOU HAVE DECIDED TO STEAL IT AT FIRST...DO WHAT IS RIGHT

VICTOR BROWN

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Victor,

My laptop got stolen?I am using a computer from a library?so I hope you got my last e mail..

Next week I will be in Dubai and would like to meet with you to hand deliver the cash.

I just don?t want any electronic trails with the money with wiring or western union?and I will be there soon.

Do you still want to meet and collect from me?  Please tell me before I finalize this very expensive ticket.


Regards,

Dale Estill
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Dale, do you thinki am a baby or what? i have gone to check your profile on facebook and have printed it out and see what you look like....even got all your family pictures and will take necessary steps fi you continue fooling yourself by telling me you want to bring the money to dubai.....you can't even spare $10,000.00 from the total amount yet you planning to bring cash to dubai, are you coming to kill me or what..i don't trust you one beat cause you're so heartless and mean to have cause all this pain and delay to my life.
Despite you've all the money i asked you to western union a particular amount and let me know when you can get the rest over but you refused..
keep acting like one actor till we find out who's the best actor...i have got all your details, pictures and working on how to get you hand you over to the government, according to FBI you are wanted and once a convict , however i dont care about all that if you comply and send my money but if you don't lets see..
like they say he who laughs last, laugh best.

VICTOR BROWN
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Victor Victor Victor

I want to respond to each thing you have said to be clear?

Dale, do you thinki am a baby or what?  A little bit of a baby cause I am trying to be fair with you and you refuse.

i have gone to check your profile on facebook and have printed it out and see what you look like....even got all your family pictures.. This is supposed to scare me in some way? That you know what I look like and you have printed it out? It is your toner?it is on there for the public to see?and you are the public?.SHOW IT TO THE POLICE AND THE FBI?I HAVE BEEN ON THE RUN LONGER THAN YOU KNOW? Do you think I look good? I do and my family too?.God has been so good to me?

and will take necessary steps Can you be more clear on this..what steps can you take? Hmmmm? Tell me?spell it out?is this some kind of threat?

fi you continue fooling yourself by telling me you want to bring the money to dubai.  I know this is hard to believe, but is true?but your attitude and demeanor  tells me you don?t want it. I don?t think you are too smart?why would you want to anger me and threaten me in any way?.do you have so much money that you don?t need this? Maybe so?.but you will have to show more restraint in our dealings if I am to turn this over to you.

....you can't even spare $10,000.00 from the total amount yet you planning to bring cash to dubai,  I can spare it,  and I gave you my reasons for wanting to transact business in this way..I am a thief ..a crook ..sure ..label me if you will..are you telling me you are an honest man always?never did something to make a little extra money on the side?

are you coming to kill me or what. Victor..Victor..Victor..why would I come all the way to you to kill you? That does not even make sense?do you have a guilty conscious or something? You can talk to me if you like..get it off your chest?otherwise it does not make sense you would say that..I have relatives in Saudia Arabia whom are very influential..believe it or not?.but to be clear?I am not coming to kill you?just to transact business??

.i don't trust you one beat cause you're so heartless and mean to have cause all this pain and delay to my life.  IF WE ARE GOING TO QUOTE SCRIPTURES?THERE is one that says ?he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone? I have a feeling there is a lot more to you than just a businessman running a machinery business who buys motorcycles for clients?.


Despite you've all the money i asked you to western union a particular amount and let me know when you can get the rest over but you refused.. I am growing tired of over explaining myself. Do you know that I had a cousin who was doing something similar to this and was using western union, and HE GOT CAUGHT?.so that is what you don?t know?.SO JUST BE CLEAR?I CAN PUT THE CASH IN YOUR HAND PLUS 5% but I would like something from you?this is all about making money?if you are not interested then I will keep this and go somewhere else?.but YOU WOULD BE A FOOL TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS KIND OF MONEY AND POTENTIAL FOR MORE?.but do what you will?


keep acting like one actor till we find out who's the best actor. I actually was an actor, a stunt double for Tom Arnold?.but you won?t believe that either and no matter?I have tried to be as nice to you as I can..but you are making it hard and now?these threats?

..i have got all your details, pictures and working on how to get you hand you over to the government, WHEN YOU SPEAK WITH THE GOVERNMENT?GET ME SOMEONES NAME AND NUMBER AND I WILL CALL THEM TO TAUNT THEM?EVER SEEN THE MOVIE ?CATCH ME IF YOU CAN?? I LIVE FOR THIS THRILL?.GIVE THEM ALL MY DETAILS?.WHERE I USED TO WORK, WHERE I USED TO LIVE..PICTURES OF MY FAMILY..HOW WILL THAT HELP THEM TO CATCH ME?

according to FBI you are wanted and once a convict  DUH ?DO YOU SMOKE DRUGS OR SOMETHING? I TOLD YOU I SPENT TIME IN JAIL IN COLUMBIA..15 YEARS?AND YES I AM WANTED..BUT I AM SMARTER THAN THEY ARE VICTOR..SMARTER AND FASTER?WITH MY CONNECTIONS, I AM INVINCIBLE?

, however i dont care about all that if you comply and send my money but if you don't lets see.. SEE WHAT? MORE THREATS?  IF A GUY HAD MY MONEY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MEET HIM FACE TO FACE AND EITHER COLLECT FROM HIM AND JOIN FORCES TO MAKE MORE?OR BEAT HIM SENSELESS AND TAKE ALL HIS MONEY AND GET HIM THROWN IN JAIL? so I have your money?and you are mad?but don?t you want to make more?  Your opportunity is slipping away Victor?


like they say he who laughs last, laugh best. I  do not even know what this means?DO YOU JUST MAKE UP RANDOM SAYINGS AND SAY THEY ARE SOME KIND OF QUOTE?

HERE IS THE DEAL?.YOU HAVE NO OPTIONS HERE VICTOR?.WHILE I AM IN A GOOD MOOD, I AM STILL WILLING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT BUT ON MY TERMS?I HAVE THE POWER BECAUSE I HAVE THE CASH?.

SO PONDER ON THIS AND E MAIL ME BACK AND REMEMBER: The rock that falls from the sky in July is not the same as the rock that falls in December..and also white and red.

Here is another?and these are actual quotes:

Mangai said the man who coughs before the sun sets is a fool as the waters did not recede on the wrath of the owl.

So let?s see how you proceed now?.but no more threats..if you are going to do something?then bring it?otherwise let?s do some business..



Regards,

Dale Estill

PLEASE NOTE MY RESPONSES ARE ALL FICTIONAL..I JUST WANT TO SCREW WITH THIS GUY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE..

f*** u cathy
just come and s*** my ****

They called me again today.  I told them not to call me again.  I told them they were criminals, extortionists and frauds.

Brenda,
Don't worry about it.  It is a total scam. The are being very aggressive to make you feel uncertain and insecure.  Let them know you know they are a scam.  They break every rule in the book.  They don't care, because the are probably calling from India.  They distort the truth every step of the way to keep you intimidated and confused so don't try to reason with them.  They are extortionist.  The bottom line is they want you to send them money.  They can't take anyone to court because then they would have to expose themselves, and to begin with their claims are baseless.  They do have your personal information.  They either got a payday cash loan company to sell them your application, or they hacked into applications, or they set up a fake payday loan application of their own to get your information, but never give out loans.  There are hundreds of different blogs about them on the internet.  They try to terrorize you by calling all the time.  Just remember give them no money and confirm no information.  You don't even have to talk to them.  They will just threaten you more and more about arresting you, taking you to court etc.... Don't worry it won't happen and it is a scam.  I would report them to your local DA or AG.  There is no Federal Government of Crime and Prevention.  You can tell he isn't American because he refers to himself as Officer Steve with no last name.

I get this same call daily, work & cell # and says he is Officer Steve from the Federal Government of Crime & Prevention.  He is very pushy.  I just hang up on him.

im glad any info me or anyone else can provide has helped..hopefully more ppl will look up the # first and see these postings and maybe an informed public will help put a stop to this..and im glad u saw the cooper law firm videos ..seems all to familiar id say

Lamet,

Thanks for all of your hard work informing the public about these extortionists.  I pretty much knew it was bogus the first time they called because 1) they were so aggressive 2) they claimed things that couldn't be true, i.e. you have a court case tomorrow 3) they couldn't speak english  4) their God Bless You stuff 5) claiming to be lawyers who were stupid and 6) claiming to be from a bogus government agency.  
I now feel like an expert on how to handle these things after reading all the posts and talking to government agencies.  They are so dumb sometimes it is hilarious.  Especially when they try to post as being somebody else and how thankful they are to have received help to pay for a loan they forgot about.  They are totally low lifes who have no respect for anybody.  The whole nation needs to know about these scams so their funds coming in would dry up.

I just talked to the Secret Service through the number Julie provided.  It was most helpful.  He confirmed that this is a widespread SCAM, and he told me about the progress of the current ongoing investigation.  The agent gave me great advice which I will follow.  He said the bottom line is GIVE THEM NO MONEY OR INFORMATION.

I just watched the Cooper Law Firm Youtube videos.

Thanks for all of your hard work and reporting on this website.  Everybody needs to know about these scammers so nobody gives them any money.  When they do blog like Victor Brown, they can't even write coherent sentences.  They are just a bunch of evil low lifes who can't even speak English.  They are criminal extortionists who are part of a big crime ring!  Once everybody knows about them, their little games are over and they might have to get real jobs.

they also call saying they are with the cooper law firm ...there is youtube video of calls same accents same lines of bs..the more ppl know the less they can run this scam

This is the same game I got the first time they called me.  I asked them to identify themselves and they said they couldn't until I confirmed personal information.  Of course I didn't confirm anything personal over the phone.  They also told me they weren't authorized to give me their information over the phone.  I hung up.

Just to let everybody on this site know some other information about this scam.  If you challenge them about their operation being a scam, sometimes they will leave you alone for a while, and then you will get a fraudulent call saying it is from the Attorney General's Office.  They falsely state "that the Attorney General's Office is investigating the phone calls and has the situation under control, but that payment should be made to the collection company if there are concerns."  I got this off the Kansas Attorney General's site.

Why bother? They are theft ring. From now on just look up the number for your local FBI field office and tell the scammer that the person they are trying to reach can be found at that number. This way the FBI can skip trace these people and take appropriate action with INTERPOL.

Your a dead man.

DH has been getting calls from officer Jason at the same place. Similar accent as you describe.  I *67 and called back. They refused to give their website or any way to verify who they are until I confirmed personal info.  I asked why I would give that info when they have done nothing to versify themselves to me.  To which they claimed to work under DPA???? and were not allowed to give this info by phone .  I said thank you and hung up.

The video is hilarious.  Obviously fraud!  When the man says it is not his debt, instead of trying to help him confirm it, he says they are submitting the evidence to county court to which the man wishes they would.  Obviously, they can't go to court because they would have to reveal who they really are.  Also they didn't mention anything about mailing him a FDCPA mandated form to contest his debt in which they reveal the original loan company and account #

here is a video recording of a call..officer something sound like the calls any1 else is gettin??? uncanny eh.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0_tR1q6GQ

I fortunately was 1 of the lucky ones that didnt send $ and had a gut feeling it was a scam, and after looking on here and other sites have found thousands of complaints going back as far as 2007..theyve called ppl saying they are debt consolidators..credit card company ..list goes on I just hope enough ppl get the info they need and these ppl get shut down

Julie,
Thanks for the information.  As you know they can't arrest you, and they can't extradite you.  It would be a civil case in your county if it were real, but as you know it isn't.  You should ask them the address for Federal Government of Crime and Prevention.  Of course they won't give it.  You should also ask them why they haven't followed FDCPA by sending the form within five days for you to dispute the claim.  Of course they don't care about the FDCPA.

unfortunately even telling them that you know its a scam doesnt seem to work ...I had a call yesterday from their "attorney" where as i told him that i knew it was a scam...he replied "when you have police arrest you and extradite you then you will know its not a scam" so i said fine call my attorney gave him the attorney generals # ...ive now started recording all these calls so when i had 1 early this morning i recorded it he called again said he talked to my attorney's secretary and she wasnt in (remember now i gave him the AG's #  and its automated) So i said ok and what do you want from me ..he said i needed to pay 750 now or almost 2k when i get arrested and told me that i was in "perjury" ( yes you read that right) for check fraud.. I asked him if that was against SB 1070 (im from az its the only thing i could think of) He then said yes exactly ..now any attorney would know that sb 1070 wasnt any kind of check,money,anything kind of law.. your best bet in getting them to leave you alone is to stump them..I still get calls but not as often..and they dont try to argue with me as long...good luck to anyone else trying to deal with this!!!

Kathy,

Here are some other similar scams where the name Victor Brown is involved.  This is either the same person or else the scammers love to use this name alot.  

Victor Brown  Sams

443-221-4534
Tina Hairrell      
12 Mar 2010
This person called my home on March 8, 2010 and claimed to be Victor Brown from the United Stated Financial Investigation Department.  I called the number back and no one answered.
Caller: United Stated Crime Investigation Department
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443-221-4534
jane
16 Mar 2010
this is the man that harressed my family in demanding my personal info-just found out its fraud! Watch out! Very intimidating in askin personal info-victor brown has an accent-non english speaking. Claims he's from United States Financial Crime Investigation Dept.
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949-202-4689
Peggy Turner
17 Sep 2009
This is the third time this has happened.  The first time happened on Aug 1. The name he gave was Victor Brown and I talked to a guy who said his name was Ronnie Cooper. They told me that I was being arrested for check fraud and had to appear in court in California. I live in Iowa. He had me scared until I talked to my sister. She said it was a scam and that they hacked into my email account. I had applied for payday loans last year but never received one. I googled the number and found it was a cell phone in Philadelphia.  When he called back, I told him I needed him to send me something so I could investigate and that I had talked to a lawyer (which was my sister, she's not a lawyer but they don't know that.)He started talking faster. He repeated his name for me but when he said the company name and before I could ask him to repeat. He had hung up. The following day, this Victor Brown called me 7 times, 18 to 19 minutes apart.  Two weeks later a woman who said her name was Lisa Brown called once but left the exact same message word for word. Different phone number which is a cellphone in Moreno California. It was 5 days before this last one. This was the 949-202-4689 number which is a cellphone in Irvine California. I don't pick up the phone for toll free numbers or if the caller ID says private caller or unknown caller which is what these scam artists go by. I have relayed each number to my state Attorney General.
Caller ID: Unknown caller
Caller: n/a

215-279-5915
Peggy Turner
1 Sep 2009
This person called saying he was a lawyer in California and I was charged with check fraud among other charges which I knew nothing about. Kept saying that I received a deposit on a prepaid debit card which after checking I did not. They keep calling and harassing me and scaring me. The name he used is Victor Brown and gave the number 215-279-5915 as his direct line. Caller ID comes up with unknown caller.
Caller ID: unknown caller
Call Type: Debt Collector
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202-821-4778
Did you get a call from 202-821-4778? Read the posts below to find out details about this number. Also report unwanted calls to help identify who is using this phone number.
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Ms. T
20 Apr 2009
I got a call from this number calling himself Victor Brown with an Indian accent.  This is the same guy that called me about 2 months ago using the name Officer Sean Williams from some investigation company. I identified him as the former caller Officer Sean Williams and told him that my phone calls are being recorded and given to the authorities I then hung up.
Caller ID: 202-821-4778
Caller: unclear because of heavy accent
Call Type: Debt Collector
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Liz
22 Apr 2009
This man also with an Indian Accent calls and ask for me, when I asked what this is in regards to he says can you just tell her to call Victor Brown about a lawsuit. He called to my work about 5 times and told many of my co-workers that I needed to call him urgently!
Caller ID: 2028214778
Call Type: Debt Collector
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kristal
30 Apr 2009
i got a call from this same number saying i was under investagton for fraud and if i payed $950.00 today they would drop charges his name was victor brown ,and then a girl named rosie from the same number called and said i was under a law suit for $2.250 dollars and if i payed 1.500 today they would drop the law suit,which i knew wasnt true so people be carefull when some one calls u from these numbers ok,,thnaks they people talk with a indian accent so dont beleave them,,,
Caller ID: 1-202-821-4778
Caller: collection and and criminal activity

just in case ppl are wondering....................
What a debt collector CANNOT do:

   * Use deceptive practices. For example, threaten you with arrest or  trick you into paying for collection calls.
   * Use obscene language.
   * Call you at work after you tell them that your boss does not approve these calls.
   * Deny you the right to receive a written notice (within five days after your first phone conversation) that would tell you how much you owe and the name of the creditor that says you owe the money. If you do not receive the notice within five days, call the collection agency and ask for its address and fax number. Then, send a letter to the collector noting its failure to send you the required notice. As a minimum, make a note in your file.
   * Refuse to give its name and the name of the collection company when asked.
   * Put a debt on your credit report if you file a dispute. It must validate the debt by obtaining a verification of the debt or a copy of a judgment from the creditor before continuing their collection efforts. The results of the investigation must be mailed to you.

For more information on Fair Debt Collection visit http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/fdc.shtm

im a stay at home and have alot and i stress alot of free time so i called the numbers back that they use and asked for every person that left fake posts on here saying that they are a real company and lo and behold they will say hold on we will get them and its the same person i previously talked to so that goes to show a bit......what pisses me off is there probably are alot of ppl that dont remember if they paid it off or let 1 slide and fall into this trap ..but after the "victor brown" posted under sb 59 we will take you to court i read every sb 59 bill and there is not 1 that has to do with civil suits and more ppl need to know that you cant be jailed over a civil suit and that a payday loan company will not arrest you or have you arrested over an overdue or nonpaid loan

and btw "victor brown" ive read every sb 59 on the books and unless yr dealing with smoking ban laws child abuse laws or dui laws ur full of sh** thank you for ur time idiot

unfortunately there is noway to send a cease and desist letter and there is nothing that can be done to stop the calls because they use a voip dialer and are located in india i called the # for the real fast cash (after hrs of searching) they have an ongoing investigation into this and have apologized after tellin them yesterday that i contacted homeland security and the ss they said well we will have an attorney call...lo and behold a new # same accent today it was 409 996 5535 im truly sorry for your ordeal i know this has been a pain in my butt getting calls 7 days a week and at hrs like 5 am and 11 at nite even telling them you know its a scam doesnt deter them just rest assured it is call that # and give them as much info as you can there are postings by the legit lender companies announcing it is a fraud and dont fax or give them any info..i hope they stop soon for u and i have a nice day

Julie, thanks for your post.  
Tomorrow I am going to call the Secret Service # you listed.
I had my first contact with the group today.  My wife handed me the phone.  The man with the thick accent said this is Officer John from the Federal Government of Crime and Prevention.  I asked him what kind of officer he was.  He was kind of confused and flustered by the question.  He said he was an investigation officer.  I asked him if he was a police officer, I think at first he hesitated and said yes.  Then he said again that he was an investigation officer.  I asked him for his address and he said he was not authorized to give out that information.  (How can one officially write a letter for them to quit calling ones work without an address?)  Obviously, if they were legit they wouldn't mind giving an address.  I asked him what his full name was.  He said it was Officer John Ward.  What Officer in the US goes by their first name with the name Officer?  That is like saying my name is Officer Bob.  He then told me to quit asking questions, and that he was going to put me on hold to talk to another officer.  He said, Are you willing to be put on hold? Yes or No?  I said yes.  The hold music was hilarious.  It sounded like a doorbell version of Beethoven's Fur Elise.  Then another man who talked very fast with a thick Indian accent answered and said this is Officer Ricky Williams of the Federal Government of Crime and Prevention.  He then gave my full Social Security #.  This didn't fluster me, because I have already read many blogs about how they have all of your information.  He the told me to be very careful what I say, because he was turning on a tape recorder.  He then read something very fast, I could hardly understand him.  He mentioned that I had defaulted on a payday loan etc... (same old, same old)....and then something about 21 days....  I should have let him go on some more, but I was kind of exhausted by all of this so I asked him to take down a number, which he did.  I said that this is the phone number of the District Attorney where I live, and he is very interested in talking to you.  I told him that I had reported him to the DA, and he was currently under an ongoing investigation for fraud (I talked to the DA the day before this call. The DA told me to report any such dealings to him directly.  He told me to give him their number also.  He said he would gladly call them.)  He then said NO, NO, NO, and I said YES, YES, YES!  I then said to Officer Ricky that there was no such place as the Federal Government of Crime and Prevention (I googled it), and I said this was a SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.  He said he was now turning me over to the courts, and that I could defend myself in court with my lawyer.

I googled Officer Ricky Williams and sure enough his name comes up associated with the same type of scams with a different phone number (i.e. 646-727-4437, 646-224-9884, 561-594-0659, 714-735-4414).  In these blogs I believe Ricky Williams is working for Affidavit Confirmation Service (ACS) for debt collection.  I encourage anybody who has been contacted through this number post here.  The more the better to try to help shut down this group.