206-855-5252
WA, US
Sad but True
Sad but True
2011-12-06 15:19:23
Unknown
This is an offshore payday loan debt collection extortion scam that has been going on for at least five years. The FBI is aware of it but is unable to go after those involved due to lack of money and manpower. I looked back and found some old information which may prove to be helpful:

They obtained your information through Teletrack:

Kudos to "Sam" for giving the most intelligent and informative posts on this scam. READ, Bookmark and use as needed:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-631-456-4041/2

I have been receiving phone calls from this group since late April / early May of 2010.  There is a good chance that they also attempted to contact me roughly two years ago before I entered into Chapter 7 Bankruptcy protection, as I faintly remember hearing the same script more or less.

As others have stated, the callers are difficult to understand.  Generally speaking their command of the English language is quite poor and their accents are hard to follow. At times they will get certain words or phrases mixed up.  It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they had:

a) Your SSN
b) Your home address
c) Your work address
d) Your banking info
e) Names, numbers and potentially the addresses of "references"
f) A complete and total lack of ethics and a basic understanding of the FDCPA.  

I have personally filed reports with the following agencies, often with limited (if any) success:

Local Police
my state's Attorney General's office
FTC
FBI
Secret Service

Generally the local police won't be able to help much.  The callers are using a combination of prepaid cell phones and VoIP, making them difficult to trace.  Also at their disposal are various spoofing tactics being implemented to catch people off guard - meaning the number that appears on your Caller ID isn't the number that is calling you for starters.  Without gaining a subpoena for the billing information for the numbers in question, the local police won't be able to get very far.  

My state's Attorney General's office couldn't offer much assistance either.  I received a form letter in the mail that my complaint was received and I would be contacted if they needed additional info.  It was more or less the same information I obtained from the FTC.  They each advised me not to give the individuals over the phone any account information or to authorize payment.  That's just common sense, though.

I never got anything from the FBI, either.  There is a good chance that since I haven't suffered a monetary loss that my concerns are low on the totem pole.  I hate to say this, but that is truly the case. Unless you were in the hole for a $1,000 (or more) you aren't going to get much more than "sorry to hear about your situation, change your phone number and move on".  I seemed to get some activity from the Secret Service.  I spoke with agent Doug Zloto. (Google him, referencing threads like these plus his name and you'll find his number also)  He seemed to care a bit more than the average person, but after giving him access to my Google Voice account, there has been no further activity from him that I'm aware of.

In the meantime I changed the wireless number the fraudsters had access to, they have no direct way to get a hold of me.  (Calls at work have ceased for some reason)  That in turn resulted in my "references" getting phone calls from the crooks.  Here is a word of caution for women that have been getting these calls - don't say anything and just hang up.  The callers are quite abusive towards women callers.  Why?  Possibly the culture.  If they are Indian / Pakistani, women are second class citizens there.  You will be treated like garbage.  This happened to a family member when she was trying her best to be extremely nice over the phone.  

The callers currently attempt to reach me through the female family member and an unused Google Voice number that they managed to find of mine.  I keep the Google Voice number open because, well, I can't delete it yet.  So, about every day, 4-5 times a day for the last week, I get voice messages from them.  It's usually just two full messages though - the other calls are broken up with static or they are attempts to read the script until the callers then screw up.  Really, they are that adamant on getting the script 100% that they will hang up mid-sentence and call back 30 seconds later.  

At this point it's a stalemate with these people.  

1) While they have the lion's share of information on us, they can't really do anything with this information.  

Why?  Think about it.

If they were to ever take funds out of your account without authorization, it's fraud and worse (for them) it is traceable.  That's why they won't do anything with your information, contrary to threats they make.  The money from your account has to go somewhere, and either your bank or a law enforcement agency can determine where the money was routed.  As a bank customer you are protected - you'd get the stolen money back in your account after 7-10 business days and the bank would be temporarily out the funds deducted from your account while they conducted their investigation.  The bank, along with law enforcement, would track down the fraudsters and apprehend them.  The fraudsters do not want to incur the wrath of a bank, just extort money out of you.  Remember that.    

Your authorization would absolve the bank from any and all liability, leaving you holding the bag.  Never give them authorization for anything - for all you know the call is recorded.  

2) We have no information on them.

Seriously, this has been going on at least since 2008, possibly longer than that based on some accounts. (6 years??? Holy crap!)  You would think someone would have slipped up by now.  Sadly, they haven't.  We can continue to grow our own intel on them and compile lists of aliases and phone numbers used, along with paraphrases of scripts used in order to educate other victims.  I'm actually putting together a site now in the meantime where I'll host audio files and lists of previous numbers used.  800notes.com is great, but no two calls are exactly the same.  It would be nice to have a site dedicated to the scam and how it works.

So that's where I am with these calls.  I have suffered no monetary loss, though I have been harassed both at home and at work.  They threaten me with arrest and other "fun" things in order to get me convinced I have to pay them.  My friends and family have been targeted and local and federal law enforcement agencies haven't been able to put a stop to things.  So, it is what it is.  I am out a wireless phone number I had for roughly six years, which is terrible since I was using that line when looking for a new job.  

Whenever I'm bored I spoof my number using Google Voice and return the calls.  I've called them the poster children for birth control, etc.  Basically a lot of nasty things that I'm sure the moderators here wouldn't appreciate me repeating - bottom line nothing nice.  I always like to close saying their parents must be real proud knowing their sons weren't man enough to get real jobs.  That usually gets a decent response.  

Way I see it - they can't do anything to me. (Despite a threat yesterday that my life would be f'ed up)  They can threaten all they want but my credit is frozen and my bank information has changed.  I've changed the only number they could really access me directly on and I've instructed my employer and family to not answer the calls.  I just call and harass them now when I find a few extra seconds.  What's the worst they can do to me?  Charge me with harassment?  

Nope, then they would have to identify themselves.

Oh, and don't bother contacting Cashnet USA about the calls.  Their "fraud" department could honestly care less.  Their "investigation" is merely a means of buerocratic CYA.  I would even be surprised at this point if actual law enforcement is involved in any shape, way or form at this time.  

There is a good chance that the information these crooks have on us was obtained from Cashnet USA - either from a database leak or from a collector that was once authorized by Cashnet to call on delinquent customers.  The other chance is they have access to Teletrack, and pulled all of our information off of there.

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-646-274-1143/3

For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan.  The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:

United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)

You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse.  In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt.  Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.  

Who are they?

In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:

David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida  33150
(Address is likely invalid)

The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates.  Here are some links on them:

http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf

They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations.  They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.  

The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:

Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone:  800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)

There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:

Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml

Kansas:  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html

Colorado:  
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig

Rhode Island:  
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html

West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm

Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.  

"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit.  The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.

Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives.  Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."

Bottom line:

Do not supply the callers with any additional information.  Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up.  If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond.  Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.  

If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.  
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:

* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you.  The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example.  Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.

* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site.  People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.  

* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.  


How to protect yourself:

* Inform your employer.  You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously.  Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work.  If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received.  Save voice mails left if at all possible.  

* Change your number(s).  For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.

Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted.  Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.

* Use Google Voice.  Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use.  Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.  

Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers.  Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script.  At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up.  They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number.  At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again.  (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)

The scammers change their numbers frequently.  Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online.  With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.  Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.

1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870

So can they really do anything to you?

It's not a simple yes or no answer.  Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.  

So, why haven't they?  

Authorization.  

Why do you think you are being called so much?  Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice?  No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period.  The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past.  Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.

Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough.  A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists.  The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe.  Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt.  See what they say.  A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that.  That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason.  If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution.  In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account.  Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.  

Bottom line:

If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't.  If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't.  Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector.  Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.

PS--The FBI sent out a Press Release on this scam just last week:

Extortion Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans

Washington, D.C.
December 07, 2010  FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691

? filed under: Press Release

The Internet Crime Complaint Center has received many complaints from victims of payday loan telephone collection scams. Callers claim the victim is delinquent in a payday loan and must repay the loan to avoid legal consequences. The callers purport to be representatives of the FBI, Federal Legislative Department, various law firms, or other legitimate-sounding agencies. They claim to be collecting debts for companies such as United Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Net, and other Internet check-cashing services.

According to complaints received from the public, the callers have accurate data about victims, including Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, employer information, bank account numbers, and the names and telephone numbers of relatives and friends. How the fraudsters obtained the personal information varies, but in some cases victims have reported they completed online applications for other loans or credit cards before the calls started.

The fraudsters relentlessly call the victim?s home, cell phone, and place of employment. They refuse to provide any details about the alleged payday loans and become abusive when questioned. The callers have threatened victims with legal actions, arrests, and, in some cases, physical violence if they do not pay. In many cases, the callers harass victims? relatives, friends, and employers.

Some fraudsters have instructed victims to fax a statement agreeing to pay a certain amount, on a specific date, via a pre-paid Visa card. The statement further declares the victim will never dispute the debt.

If you receive these calls, do not follow the caller?s instructions. Rather, you should:

Notify your banking institutions.
Contact the three major credit bureaus and request an alert be put on your file.
Contact your local law enforcement agencies if you feel you are in immediate danger.
File a complaint at www.IC3.gov.
Tips to avoid becoming a victim of this scam:

Never give your Social Security number?or personal information of any kind?over the telephone or online unless you initiate the contact.
Be suspicious of any e-mail with urgent requests for personal financial information. The e-mail may include upsetting or exciting but false statements to get you to react immediately.
Avoid filling out forms in e-mail messages that request personal information.
Ensure that your browser is up-to-date and security patches have been applied.
Check your bank, credit, and debit card statements regularly to make sure that there are no unauthorized transactions. If anything looks suspicious, contact your bank and all card issuers.
When you contact companies, use numbers provided on the back of cards or statements

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/paydayloanscam_120710

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-951-489-0227
Remonia Tolbert
Remonia Tolbert
2011-12-06 15:17:30
Unknown
i keep getting calls from two men tha speak broken English stating that they are Officer of the Federal crime inveistgations bureau threating to have me arrested also continuce to call my place pf employment threating my co worker one of the man name is NIck Anderson & Jack Austin  i spoke with them both to set up payment for 12/5/2011 but i gave all my information to nick anderson and about 7 hours later i received a call from this Jack austin wanting my information i told him that i gave all my information to a nick anderson and the man jack austin staed that he dis not know a nick anderson so i told the both of them that i would not give or send them any inforamtion on my accounts until they send me somethiing in writing they both continuce to call me and threat me so i told them to set my case for court i would like to speak to the judge regarding this matter phon# tha i have are as follow 1866-8635077 and a 646 number
jeremy
jeremy
2011-06-20 23:38:19
Unknown
yea,yesterday a dude named officer mark jones who had a wierd accent called my mom and said he was about to press legal charges against her unless she payed a fine,her son googled the phone number and found it was a scam,the next morning mom called them,and he asked for her name,she said jennifer,then she heard him say it in the background,then he hang up on her,mom called the cops to tell them all about his scam,mom then called mark jones back,and said"i know all about ur little scam i just reported ya"he said"f*** u u dumb lady"mom said f*** with my social security number watch wat happens"then he hung up
Alias
Alias
2011-06-06 20:42:21
Unknown
Got a call today saying they were from the US financial crime division and have a legal case file with my name on it as a reference.  Stated that my name was used as a reference for illegal fraud activity and that they were going to send the cops to this persons house and my house to arrest us both.  GIVE ME A BREAK.  PLEASE try.!!!!!
unknown
unknown
2010-08-17 17:43:01
Unknown
been receiving numerous call from this Jessica Brown. She is a person trying to get money. This is the second person that tried to get me to send money. People like this need to go out a get a REAL job and leave us people alone.
Carl
Carl
2010-06-10 16:17:20
Debt Collector
A man by the name of Troy Russel is in on this scam beware of this number  206-801-3409
Sam
Sam
2010-06-04 14:38:17
Unknown
I just received the same message. Thanks to this posting I am not returning the call.
ST
ST
2010-05-22 08:14:05
Debt Collector
Talking to my friend I think they got my info, his and my mom's and wife's info from a resume posted to craigslist or a job hosting site. He and my mother were employers of mine years and years ago and my wife is a personal reference.
ST
ST
2010-05-22 08:11:49
Debt Collector
These b*****ds call me every 3 months or so and started calling my mom and my wife and now they've branched out, calling my former employers and my friends? How the heck did they get this info? They called about a week ago and my friend just told me they called him today and also last week. If I total up the calls it's about the 40th call.
1comedown
1comedown
2010-05-14 19:36:00
Unknown
doc sandy  i had the exact problem occurring right now i dont understand and very scared of the calls i got from that number please please can you contact me if u can email is 1comedown@gmail.com please
206-855-5267
206-855-5267
2010-05-13 14:53:38
Unknown
Just received a call from an Officer Nick Anderson who barely spoke English.  When I told him I refused to speak to him until he gave me the corporate number of his company that I could call to verify his credentials he said he cannot do that.  I informed him that it is all over the internet what scammers they are and that they are not legitimate.  I told him I plan on reporting him to the FBI, Attorney General and anyone else that I can to have them found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  He finally just hung up on me.
lildrea
lildrea
2010-05-12 17:27:59
Unknown
Yes this people are fake..... I almost lost my job thanks to them they called my place of employment for a whole hour phone call after phone call. My superviosr call the 206 # back and asked to speak to a superviosr she got hung up on. My superviosr called the local police department and filed a complaint. I was so embarrassed. Just like everyone else they have alllll my personal information. They are a bunch of a**holes and I will do everything I can to put a stop to this or have someone trace them down.
christina
christina
2010-04-28 22:01:01
Debt Collector
dont believe these people. they have been calling me and my mom for 2 weeks now they can give us all our personal information but cant tell us what the case is about. these people are idiots. the first call we got was from a 323-319-2660 phone number the guy said his name was officer john ryan from cal smith ball law firm and he too had a accent from india i believe, i had my boyfriend speak with them and he told him not to call me anymore and the man got mad and threatened my boyfriend he was going to find me and F**k me. they also threatened my mom at work telling her they were coming after her and that she better give up some money because she "owed" a debt (she doesnt owe anyone anything) and to make sure she didnt leave her work before 5 their time and that god could only help her then. then today i got a phone call from 206-855-5252 and the man left me a voicemail claiming he was officer nick anderson from the united states financial crime division. and that i needed to call him back immediately or i would be facing criminal charges for not calling him back and then he said god bless you. (hahaha) and again he had an accent as well but i also compared the voicemails i had saved from these two guys and its the same man!!!! this is a scam people dont fall for it. i called this "nick anderson" back hoping to get some info from him and when i asked for him over the phone the receptionist which i know was him he tried to talk like a girl put me on hold and then he changed his voice to a man and said he was the supervisor and his name was officer william walter. first of all these people are idiots thats totally a white name! i then asked him why he was calling me he asked me for my name and i gave it to him he said he couldnt find my name in his system and then i asked him how he got my number then, he couldnt answer me he kept saying he would place me on his do not call list and then he says "wait christina we were calling in regards to your mom" and that got me right there how do these people not have me in their system but they know me and i asked the man that question and he refused to give me an answer i told him not to contact us ever again and that i had cops and FBI on his a** and then he got mad because i threatened him and asked if that was a threat and i told him to consider it a threat. he then called me a little girl who was going to be hunted down and that i would be arrested i laughed and called him a p***y and a f**  and they will never see a cent and hung up.


these people are a huge scam they are rude, illiterate, and unprofesional at least play the part if you expect to get anything out of anyone. if someone contacts you like this report it to the police and FBI they will tell you where to go from there.
Danielle
Danielle
2010-04-20 18:38:29
Debt Collector
I recieved a call today for a officer Mark connley Stating I have a Cas against me couldnt tell me nothing about it just to get a lawyer I believe this is a scam I get this call all the time.... Parents also get a call like this and all he says is God Bless you on how this matter unfolds.... I dont trust these people but dont know where to turn if anyone has any suggestions please let me know I get soo aggervated with them and just dont know what to do???  Is there somewhere u can report these kind of  people?/
Jessica
Jessica
2010-04-10 22:56:50
Unknown
I have been getting scary phone calls from this number, in a thick accent, saying that if I refuse to call back only God can save/help me. They are calling my family and even old friends that I barely know. I called back and left a msg (I think, unintelligible words on machine greeting) and said to stop calling and in America we don't threaten each other with God! It's so freaky.
Victor
Victor
2010-04-09 15:47:30
Debt Collector
I got a call from this number by a guy that can barely speaks English.
This Just In...
This Just In...
2010-04-08 13:40:48
Unknown
Consumer Alert: Attorney General warns Kansans of debt collection scam

January 29, 2010 -- Attorney General Steve Six is cautioning Kansas consumers about telephone calls from apparent fake debt collectors who are impersonating law enforcement officers in an effort to extort money from consumers.   Consumers are warned to not submit payments to these fraudulent debt collectors.

When calling, the scammers most often state they are attempting to collect a debt related to an internet payday loan obtained by the consumer, but which the consumer never repaid.  Consumers state they have never obtained such a loan or paid off the loan years ago.  The scam artists have most recently identified themselves as ACS, National Affidavit Processing Department and United Financial Crime Division, but may use additional phony names.  It appears the phone numbers used by the scammers are ?spoofed? numbers, so that the number appearing on a consumer?s caller ID is not the actual number of where the call originated. It appears the calls in question may be originating from outside the United States.

When questioned, the individual calling refuses to disclose the full name or address of the collection agency they claim to represent.  These scammers have been able to provide consumers with identifying information, such as the consumer?s social security number, home address, e-mail address, names of family members and the consumer?s computer IP address.  Since the callers are able to provide valid personal information, consumers may become confused and believe they are being contacted in regard to a legitimate debt.

If the initial debt collection scam is unsuccessful, consumers have been re-contacted months later with the scammers posing as law enforcement officers or officers of the court.  Typically, the consumer is threatened with arrest for fraud or some other fictitious crime unless the consumer agrees to immediately wire money via Western Union.  The fictitious officers strive to frighten and confuse consumers into compliance by using legal sounding terms such as ?We?re filing an affidavit against you? or by stating a lawsuit has been or is in the process of being filed against the consumer.

A hallmark of each scam has been calling consumers repeatedly at their place of employment.  This scam hit home when an employee of the Kansas Attorney General?s Office was repeatedly called both on her cell phone and at work.  Despite the employee?s repeated verbal disputes, the caller refused to provide any identifying information to allow her to send a written dispute. The scammer also continued to call her numerous times a day regarding a payday loan she denied obtaining. Two months later, she was again contacted by telephone by an individual identifying himself as an ?officer?.

?I denied owing the debt and refused to pay without being provided validation of the debt. I was then told, ?If that?s the case, I will have local law enforcement come to your place of business and drag you out kicking and screaming?,? stated the employee.

?It is important for consumers to know their rights under the law,? Attorney General Six said. ?If a consumer is receiving calls from a debt collection company and believe it is a scam, I encourage them to contact our office immediately.?

Under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA), collectors are required to send consumers a written notice within five days of the initial contact.  The notification should contain  information such as the amount of the debt, the name of the creditor to whom the debt is owed and a statement informing the consumer they have thirty days to contact the debtor in writing to dispute the debt or request validation of the debt. In addition, legitimate debt collectors are prohibited by the FDCPA from making false or misleading representations, such as the consumer has committed a crime, implying nonpayment will result in the consumer?s arrest, or using the threat of violence.

More information is available on the Federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act at http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf.

To register a complaint with the Kansas Attorney General?s Consumer Protection Division, call 1(800) 432-2310 or visit www.ksag.org.

http://www.ksag.org/page/consumer-alert-attor ... collection-scam
k
k
2010-04-08 13:03:24
Unknown
Just received three calls from these number..the officer was Tom Clark..very broken english...said I owe money and if I don't pay I will be arrested...this happens ever few months this is a total scam...contacted the police and FBI.
Doc Sandy
Doc Sandy
2010-04-07 19:06:01
Debt Collector
Woman called. I could not understand because of heavy (Hispanic?) accent.  The incoming call was listed as Private but the number appeared under "Incoming." I did a reverse lookup and found the number
(206) 855-5252 listed in Bainbridge Island, Washington.

I called the number and talked with a "Jack Austin," who also had a heavy accent.  He said that some sort of charges had been filed against me for default on a loan from "Cash Advance," but that I had nothing to  worry about if I would pay something on the loan.

I argued with him intensely, asking many questions, and suggested that it might be a case of mistaken identity.  He jumped right on that!  Said he though I was right, he could see that I was honest, and that I should just pay something to put and end to it or the company would take further action against me.

What a bloody idiot!  

The local FBI advised me to first check my credit reports. I did so, with bated breath.  There is nothing suspicious there.  So this is a simple scam, thank the Lord.  But I hate to think of the people who might fall for it.
lamet
lamet
2010-03-04 15:53:41
Unknown
YOU MUST READ THIS  VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON THIS SCAM - EXPLAINS EVERYTHING - INCLUDING HOW TO FILE FORMAL COMPLAINTS - DO NOT IGNORE THIS POST

LONG RUNNING AND KNOWN SCAM ? ALL OVER INTERNET AND NEWS FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS NOW

Fake Debt Collectors ? Terrorizing Consumers

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5621205&page=1


MORE ON FAKE DEBT COLLECTORS
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-904-425-9141
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/call4action/17285785/detail.html
http://www.800helpfla.com/newsletter/2008/092008.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html   latest release of information on this scam

http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm
Attorney General Darrell McGraw took the extraordinary step today of warning the public about a band of scam artists making threats to consumers who allegedly obtained Internet payday loans in West Virginia and across the nation. The consumers they threaten never obtained a loan at all or paid it off years ago.

Internet payday loans are short-term loans or cash advances, usually for 14 days, made over the Internet via interactive web sites and secured by an agreement authorizing debits of the loan and all fees owed from the consumer?s checking account. These loans typically charge interest rates ranging from 600-800 APR and are unlawful in West Virginia.

The scam artists, who speak English with a foreign accent, call themselves ?U.S. National Bank,? ?Federal Investigation Bureau,? ?United Legal Processing? and numerous other phony names. They refuse to disclose real names and addresses and are believed to be operating ?off the grid? from homes, automobiles, or from off shore locations or foreign countries, including India. Since the scammers have kept themselves purposely well hidden, thus far no law enforcement agencies have succeeded in locating or shutting them down.

The scammers typically pose as law enforcement officers, investigators, lawyers, and bankers and threaten consumers that they will be arrested for ?bank fraud? or other fictitious crimes unless money is wired immediately. They simultaneously scare and confuse consumers by using meaningless legalese gobbledygook phrases such as, ?We are downloading warrants against you? or ?We are filing an affidavit against you.? Consumers who don?t immediately fall for the scam are warned, ?Only God can help you now.?

The scammers almost always call consumers at work several times a day, and tell their supervisors, ?Your employee has committed fraud and is about to be arrested.? Such threats have proven unsettling even to the most savvy consumers and employers who suspect the calls are fraudulent.

Attorney General McGraw stated, ?Ordinarily my office protects consumers from fraudulent activities by seeking injunctions in court. But legal action cannot be taken until the scam artists can be located. Even then, it is unlikely that the persons behind the fraudulent calls and extortionist threats would obey a court order. In this case, the consumer?s best defense is to be armed with the knowledge of the scam so that all demands for money can be resisted, despite the false but scarey threats of arrest.?

McGraw added, ?Because the fraudsters make a special point of calling consumers repeatedly at work, employers must understand that the consumers are innocent victims of a criminal enterprise and cannot stop the calls from coming. I also wish to assure the citizens of West Virginia that my office will continue to do everything possible to locate and shut down the outlaw debt collectors.?

More information about this fraudulent debt collection scheme is available at the Attorney General?s website, www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam. Any consumers who have been threatened by these persons or wish to file a complaint about another consumer matter may do so by calling the Consumer Protection Hot Line, 1-800-368-8808, or by obtaining a complaint form from the Attorney General?s web site.

It's a debt collection scam. And all their threats are false and illegal.
This is a very active group of scammers, many of whom are calling from India (and probably other countries) and are in cahoots with a group of American pay day loan scammers. They attempt to extort money from consumers with a myriad of false and illegal threats, and alternately pose as debt collectors, federal and state law enforcement officers, lawyers and bankers. Their trademark is to use meaningless legalese gobblygook phrases like "We are downloading warrants against you" or "We are filing an affidavit against you." Another trademark phrase is to threaten the consumer with something like this ridiculous phrase: "If you don't pay then only God can help you."
Typical of many financial scams of this variety, they usually demand payment via Western Union or MoneyGram or credit card. They use any number of phony names such as US National Bank, Federal Investigation Bureau, US Legal Investigation Bureau, Hopkins Law Office, United Legal Processing, Morgan Associates, United Pay Services, National Processing, White Collar Crime Unit and many more.  These criminals also use many phone numbers from many area codes; they're probably using caller-id spoofing software and/or VoIP to disguise their real location.
The main thing to remember is that anytime someone calls you demanding money to prevent your arrest, or demanding your lawyer's name so they can sue you, it is ALWAYS a scam. No debt collector (let alone criminals posing as debt collectors) has the authority to have anyone arrested for anything. (And it's illegal to them to threaten such a thing.) And since these foreign dirtbags routinely impersonate law enforcement, it's also important to remember that American law enforcement officers aren't in the business of debt collection.  (Debt is a civil, not a criminal, matter.)
The bottom line is, these are criminals trying to steal your money.
A consumer posting a complaint about these same scammers at http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-718-831-7157 notes that 718-831-7157 is associated with an India-based "outsourcing" telephone bank.  Though a reverse search on WhitePages.com shows that 718-831-7157 is an unlisted land line in New York City, information on Debtbuyers.Com shows that that number is used by India-based Intellisourze. (Source: http://www.debtbuyers.com/debtbuyers.asp ) My guess is that it's a VoIP phone number.
This is another piece of the puzzle that fits in perfectly with other information about this scam. There are some reports on 800Notes that have suggested that the crooks behind this offshore scam are also the crooks behind the notorious Bass/Ellis Crosby & Assoc./States Predisposition scams in Florida and Georgia. The interesting thing is that the number of complaints on here about the US National Bank/US Legal Investigation/Federal Investigation scam skyrocketed *after* April 7, 2008 when Florida obtained a $1.3 million judgment against Ted Ellis Crosby, shutdown his operations and barred him from ever conducting debt collections in Florida (Read http://myfloridalegal.com/newsrel.nsf/newsrel ... 5257424005858A6 ) There's certainly a good chance that the crooks placing these calls from India are doing so on behalf of the American crooks behind the Crosby/Bass/States Predisposition scams.
Here's the contact information for the phone bank in India:
IntellisOurzE BPO
701, Sapphier, Nr. Cargo Motors,
C.G. Road Navrangpura,
Ahmedabad - 9. (Guj.) INDIA.
E-Mail: info@intellisourze.com
Website: www.intellisourze.com
A check on the domain name "intellisourze.com" shows that the website and name registration was created on May 8, just one month *after* the Crosby scams were shut down in Florida:
Domain Name: INTELLISOURZE.COM
Registrant:  Pragra Infratech Pvt. Limited.
Email:  ankur.ranpariya@pragra.com  
908, Aksaht Tower, Nr. ICICI Bank
Opp. Rajpath Club, S.G. Highway
Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India 380054
Tel. +91.7926871353
Creation Date: 08-May-2008
Expiration Date: 08-May-2009
Domain servers in listed order: ns5.znetindia.com ns4.znetindia.com
(Source: http://whois.domaintools.com/intellisourze.com )
Though scam calls from these crooks have been going on long before May 8, the frequency of complaints about these calls increased considerably after Crosby was shut down in early April.
This is conjecture, but appearances suggest that Crosby and company were originally running a two-pronged payday loan scam operation -- with some calls being made from Jacksonville, Florida and other calls being made from a phone bank in India (and possibly other countries); then, after the Florida Attorney General shut down the Crosby scams in Florida, the Crosby crooks transferred most of their scam efforts to the India phone bank.


If you are targeted by these criminals, be sure to report them to all the following federal and state law enforcement agencies (most of which you can do online or over the phone):
1.    The U.S. Secret Service is responsible for protecting the country's financial infrastructure and payment systems from international and domestic threats. Call or write your local Secret Service field office to alert them to the details of this attempted extortion. The addresses and phone numbers for the local Secret Service field offices are listed at http://www.secretservice.gov/field_offices.shtml or in your phone book.
2.    Alert the FBI at https://tips.fbi.gov Be sure to tell the FBI that you are being targeted by extortionists over the phone. And if the crooks claim to be law enforcement or lawyers, officers of the court or bankers, be sure to include that information in your report.
3.    File a complaint with your local police. Most police departments will take a report over the phone.  Be sure to tell them that you're being targeted by an extortionist and give them all the details.
4.    File a complaint your state's attorney general, the contact information for whom is at www.wvago.gov
5.    File a complaint online with The Federal Trade Commission at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

If these crooks call back, promise them nothing, pay them nothing and tell them nothing other than that you know they're a scam and that you've reported them to law enforcement. (And be sure to report them to all the agencies above each time they call you.)




By the way, here's just a small sample of numbers used by this particular group of scammers. Read the reports and you'll see the same pattern time and again -- phony organization names, thick foreign accents, and oddly worded threats that are so melodramatic and ridiculous that it's laughable:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-925-262-1327
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-678-954-6346
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-341-4004
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-856-831-0640
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-949-743-1140
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-410-505-8128
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-917-464-2534
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-210-858-6602
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-775-2121
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-949-743-1156
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-245-1402
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-245-0922
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-723-5572
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-904-425-2863
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-718-831-7157
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-904-425-2857
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-858-244-0444
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-954-678-9724
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-610-571-3252
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-310-909-8245
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-310-499-9983
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-771-9249   Scammer posting here as GARY and GARRY JONES
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-866-860-4509   Scammer posting here as Mike Henderson
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-212-500-0839   Scammer posting here as Ricky
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-201-244-7722   Scammer posting as Carole, David Brown and Amanda
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-626-200-4646   Scammer placing false postings at this new number as silshan kanniue and Tina ? preparing a new number to use.
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-424-354-4270   Scammer placing false postings as Rose



Scam alert: Bogus debt collectors
By Leslie McFadden ? Bankrate.com
Monday, Aug. 3
Posted 2 p.m.
Bankrate reporter Leslie McFadden contributed this entry.
This scam isn't technically about credit cards, but it is scary enough to post a warning. The Better Business Bureau issued an alert today saying consumers across the country are getting phone calls from bogus debt collectors claiming default on a payday loan. Of course, the consumer needs to pay a large fee to avoid arrest -- as much as $1,000.
The caller poses as a lawyer, and may threaten extradition to face trial if the consumer doesn't pay up immediately.
What makes these calls alarming -- and perhaps convincing -- is that the perpetrators reference the consumer's personal information, such as the person's Social Security number, driver's license number, previous bank account numbers, home address -- even personal references.
"The amount of information they have is really troubling," says BBB spokeswoman Alison Southwick. She adds that the amount of data points to a possible security breach.
Spread the word to your friends and family: Don't give out personal or financial information to an unknown caller. Scammers can spoof Caller ID to display different numbers, so trust your instincts over technology.
The BBB offers these tips:
?    Ask the debt collector to provide official documentation which substantiates the debt.
?    Do not provide or confirm any bank account, credit card or other personal information over the phone until you have confirmed the legitimacy of the call.
?    File a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission online if the caller is abusive, uses threats or otherwise violates federal telemarketing laws or the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
?    File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau online if you believe a debt collector is trying to scam you.
Connecticut
Connecticut
2010-03-04 13:58:33
Unknown
I also had a man who spoke broken english. Officer " Jason" from the United States financial or Federal crime inveistigations bureau. I think it was. He was very rude. He had my ss and address. He said that a lawsuit was filed against me and if I didn't listen to him I would be arrested.  I filed a complaint with the FBI fruad unit. He did give me a phone # at the begining of the call, it was different than the one above but still when i called it there was a v/m. It said please leave a message like it was someones cell phone. I tried doing a reverse phone# check and it was unlisted for the MD area. He made a lot of threats and when I asked him for more info or where I could get in contact or send him info he hung up on me. Just before he hung up he said I have 15 min to call him back or I would be arrested at my job.
The number he gave was 443-221-4540.  Also his phone kept cutting in and out.
Delaware
Delaware
2010-01-29 21:23:55
Unknown
I received a call this afternoon from phone # 206-855-5252. I didn't actually answer the phone, since I didn't recognize the number it went straight to my voice mail.  I could not understand his name at all he spoke very broken English, but I was able to understand him say that I needed to call him back in regards to a legal matter. He said he was calling from the US investigation crime division and that I needed to verify my name and address. He also gave me the last 4 digits of my social security #.  So I called the number back to see who this was, but I did not call from my cell #, I called phone another phone. When someone answered the phone I said I wanted to know what his name and what company he was representing.  Of course he hung up on me.  So I tried calling again and got the same results. Obviously this is a scam. Do not answer a call from this number and report them immediately. Do not let these people intimidate you. Even though I was not threatened, legitimate companies do no threaten to have you arrested cause you didn't pay a loan back.  Not paying a loan back is a civil matter, not a criminal one. Legitimate companies also do not avoid your questions and hang up on you.
Freaked Out
Freaked Out
2010-01-29 16:09:18
Unknown
I received a call this morning from an unknown number at work so I answered it.  It was a guy claiming to be from the same place as all these others that have commented.  He would not provide me with any information, he could not speak English well at all and then had the audacity to ask me when I asked a question if I did not understand English. He also was rude and was cursing so it sounded to me very unprofessional.He claimed I committed fraud via my checking account with a PayDay Loan that I don't have.  I told him to call back when he had something legitimate and hung up.  He called right back and I picked up and hung up.  He called a third time and went to my voicemail.  He left me a message telling me to be prepared to face the cops at my work.  Legitimate businesses do not refuse to answer questions and provide you with information on what your being accused of.  I hope someone gets a hold of these little punks cause I'd like to ...
mrs.andruchuk
mrs.andruchuk
2010-01-25 15:36:53
Unknown
had a call several days now, finally decided to answer it just to stop the calls from coming in. a man with a very heavy accent informed me after he said my ss.# and checking account number that the police were going to come and arrest me.also told me not to talk until he was done. when i did start asking  him questions he hung up on me! now i am worried that i may have to close my checking account because of this
Ber
Ber
2010-01-21 20:31:27
Debt Collector
Got a call from a 'officer'Conner and a 'Officer'Jessica Brown, they had my dad and brothers number as refrence for me as well as my social security number, previous place of employment, e-mail address, d.o.b., and a old bank account number. They said that they were filing a police report on me for A. Banking Fraud,B.Check Fraud,C.Theft., D. Deception, E. Breech of contract. They were vile,rude, swore at me they also would not answer any questions I asked. I asked what company they worked for and they just kept saying the US Financal Crime and Prevention Department. I could hardly understand either 'Officer' and they said that I was going to be arrested. I asked who I owed a debt to and they would not answer. I could not even get a dollar amount, they said 'I should know since I took the loan out'. They ended the call by telling me they could hear my kids in the background and they were coming to get me and my kids and we had better run. WHAT!!! I called them back after I calmed down and they would not give me any info and said 'It's to late for you, Bi***.' And hung up.  Can't we do something about this?? It is insane!!
burns
burns
2010-01-15 18:31:17
Unknown
I have told these people to stop calling and harrassing me and my family a million times.  It still continues. As soon as I notice the number I answer with "didn't i tell you to stop calling?"  they ask for my name I tell em and they say it won't happen again and hang up on me.  When I call back I get a machine and I leave messages telling them to stop.  I filed reports and called the phone company to get information but the phone company has no records of this phone number or where it is coming from.  What can you do?  They always say they are officers and threaten with arresting or taking my children and they can barely speak english.  When you question them or tell them how it is they call you names and hang up.  I was a "f---ing a--hole" last time.
ib
ib
2010-01-13 01:48:41
Unknown
Received a call on my answering machine from Officer Mark ???? stating that he was from the US Financial Crime & Prevention Department, Washington HQ (very broken English, sounded like an Indian accent). He said my name and number was listed on a legal document as a reference and that I should call him immediately at 206-855-5252. Then a few minutes later he called and left the same message using my sister's name and she doesn't live her and never has. This is a scam and I'm reporting it to the Attorney General's office.
jim
jim
2010-01-09 04:23:45
Unknown
I also recv'd a call from a Mark Jones(who's English wasn't so good!!!He said he was fron the US Financial And Crime Prevention in Washington hdqtrs.The knuckle head was saying that my file was to being dwnloaded if I didn't get back to him.Then said that GOD can only help me from this legal matter! What a bunch of CRAP! Thankyou for all that wrote these responses.This is the way to look out for for eachother.
gaby
gaby
2010-01-07 20:04:59
Unknown
Have you received any information regarding your report?
gaby
gaby
2010-01-07 20:03:52
Unknown
I received a call from a Mark Jones whom also identified himself as an officer of the US financial Fraud division. When I called him back a man by the name of Daniel White answered the phone and then transfered the call to Mark Jones. The voice was the same and he indicated to me that I was being investigated for derauding a banking institution and when I asked him to send me the charging documents to me, me indicated that they were not my servants and would not do that. He also threatend to downlowed my case to the state?
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