412-879-0284
PA, US
J.
J.
2011-06-06 20:48:30
Unknown
Same thing with me...just started this morning and I have Do Not Call on my phone...
Chas
Chas
2011-06-06 20:48:30
Unknown
I just got a call from this # and he said his name was Victor Logan. He had a very thick accent and said that he was looking for my mom regarding legal matters. I called back pretending to be my mom and he said there was an arrest warrant for her in PA. When I tried to get more information like what city and county the arrest warrant was from he kept telling me to wait until tomorrow. None of the police depts I've called seemed to be concerned just that its a scam and to let him go to voice mail or the answering machine.
Robert Sedar
Robert Sedar
2011-03-01 20:21:47
Unknown
Yea these guys have been calling me repeatedly so It is a major scam
samantha fellows
samantha fellows
2011-02-24 23:08:54
Debt Collector
hahha they started calling me today fkin scam artists.
Cheesehead
Cheesehead
2011-02-24 17:24:43
Unknown
Same phone number too - 412-879-0284

http://www.cityofmadison.com/incidentReports/incidentDetail.cfm?id=11895
Cheesehead
Cheesehead
2011-02-24 17:22:27
Unknown
Newspaper article talks about this alleged Justin Simpson.  Person was harassed and reported it to police.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/crime_a ... 1cc4c03286.html
DAWN
DAWN
2011-02-23 18:02:34
Debt Collector
DON'T TAKE ANY OF THESE PHONE CALLS. THEY ARE SCAMMERS.....THEY ARE TRYING TO GET MONEY OUT OF YOU. DON'T AUTHORIZE ANYTHING. MY BANK IF AWARE OF THEM. THE PERSON WHO CALLED ME WAS OFFICER GAVIN.
DAWN
DAWN
2011-02-23 17:24:55
Unknown
HEY, YEA, THEY JUST CALLED ME THIS MORNING AND SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME. UNTIL MY MOTHER GOOGLED THIS NUMBER, I WAS TOTALLY SCARED TO DEATH. THAT GOD THIS IS JUST A SCAM. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE STOPPED. CAN'T THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE DO ANYTHING? THEY EVEN HAVE MY BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER AND ADDRESS.
DONT KNOW
DONT KNOW
2011-02-23 16:01:54
Unknown
Just received call from this guy at work and have told him not to call back. He keeps calling back dont know what to do.
The Saint
The Saint
2011-02-22 20:23:03
Unknown
Kudos to "Sam" for giving the most intelligent and informative posts on this scam. READ, Bookmark and use as needed:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-631-456-4041/2

I have been receiving phone calls from this group since late April / early May of 2010.  There is a good chance that they also attempted to contact me roughly two years ago before I entered into Chapter 7 Bankruptcy protection, as I faintly remember hearing the same script more or less.

As others have stated, the callers are difficult to understand.  Generally speaking their command of the English language is quite poor and their accents are hard to follow. At times they will get certain words or phrases mixed up.  It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they had:

a) Your SSN
b) Your home address
c) Your work address
d) Your banking info
e) Names, numbers and potentially the addresses of "references"
f) A complete and total lack of ethics and a basic understanding of the FDCPA.  

I have personally filed reports with the following agencies, often with limited (if any) success:

Local Police
my state's Attorney General's office
FTC
FBI
Secret Service

Generally the local police won't be able to help much.  The callers are using a combination of prepaid cell phones and VoIP, making them difficult to trace.  Also at their disposal are various spoofing tactics being implemented to catch people off guard - meaning the number that appears on your Caller ID isn't the number that is calling you for starters.  Without gaining a subpoena for the billing information for the numbers in question, the local police won't be able to get very far.  

My state's Attorney General's office couldn't offer much assistance either.  I received a form letter in the mail that my complaint was received and I would be contacted if they needed additional info.  It was more or less the same information I obtained from the FTC.  They each advised me not to give the individuals over the phone any account information or to authorize payment.  That's just common sense, though.

I never got anything from the FBI, either.  There is a good chance that since I haven't suffered a monetary loss that my concerns are low on the totem pole.  I hate to say this, but that is truly the case. Unless you were in the hole for a $1,000 (or more) you aren't going to get much more than "sorry to hear about your situation, change your phone number and move on".  I seemed to get some activity from the Secret Service.  I spoke with agent Doug Zloto. (Google him, referencing threads like these plus his name and you'll find his number also)  He seemed to care a bit more than the average person, but after giving him access to my Google Voice account, there has been no further activity from him that I'm aware of.

In the meantime I changed the wireless number the fraudsters had access to, they have no direct way to get a hold of me.  (Calls at work have ceased for some reason)  That in turn resulted in my "references" getting phone calls from the crooks.  Here is a word of caution for women that have been getting these calls - don't say anything and just hang up.  The callers are quite abusive towards women callers.  Why?  Possibly the culture.  If they are Indian / Pakistani, women are second class citizens there.  You will be treated like garbage.  This happened to a family member when she was trying her best to be extremely nice over the phone.  

The callers currently attempt to reach me through the female family member and an unused Google Voice number that they managed to find of mine.  I keep the Google Voice number open because, well, I can't delete it yet.  So, about every day, 4-5 times a day for the last week, I get voice messages from them.  It's usually just two full messages though - the other calls are broken up with static or they are attempts to read the script until the callers then screw up.  Really, they are that adamant on getting the script 100% that they will hang up mid-sentence and call back 30 seconds later.  

At this point it's a stalemate with these people.  

1) While they have the lion's share of information on us, they can't really do anything with this information.  

Why?  Think about it.

If they were to ever take funds out of your account without authorization, it's fraud and worse (for them) it is traceable.  That's why they won't do anything with your information, contrary to threats they make.  The money from your account has to go somewhere, and either your bank or a law enforcement agency can determine where the money was routed.  As a bank customer you are protected - you'd get the stolen money back in your account after 7-10 business days and the bank would be temporarily out the funds deducted from your account while they conducted their investigation.  The bank, along with law enforcement, would track down the fraudsters and apprehend them.  The fraudsters do not want to incur the wrath of a bank, just extort money out of you.  Remember that.    

Your authorization would absolve the bank from any and all liability, leaving you holding the bag.  Never give them authorization for anything - for all you know the call is recorded.  

2) We have no information on them.

Seriously, this has been going on at least since 2008, possibly longer than that based on some accounts. (6 years??? Holy crap!)  You would think someone would have slipped up by now.  Sadly, they haven't.  We can continue to grow our own intel on them and compile lists of aliases and phone numbers used, along with paraphrases of scripts used in order to educate other victims.  I'm actually putting together a site now in the meantime where I'll host audio files and lists of previous numbers used.  800notes.com is great, but no two calls are exactly the same.  It would be nice to have a site dedicated to the scam and how it works.

So that's where I am with these calls.  I have suffered no monetary loss, though I have been harassed both at home and at work.  They threaten me with arrest and other "fun" things in order to get me convinced I have to pay them.  My friends and family have been targeted and local and federal law enforcement agencies haven't been able to put a stop to things.  So, it is what it is.  I am out a wireless phone number I had for roughly six years, which is terrible since I was using that line when looking for a new job.  

Whenever I'm bored I spoof my number using Google Voice and return the calls.  I've called them the poster children for birth control, etc.  Basically a lot of nasty things that I'm sure the moderators here wouldn't appreciate me repeating - bottom line nothing nice.  I always like to close saying their parents must be real proud knowing their sons weren't man enough to get real jobs.  That usually gets a decent response.  

Way I see it - they can't do anything to me. (Despite a threat yesterday that my life would be f'ed up)  They can threaten all they want but my credit is frozen and my bank information has changed.  I've changed the only number they could really access me directly on and I've instructed my employer and family to not answer the calls.  I just call and harass them now when I find a few extra seconds.  What's the worst they can do to me?  Charge me with harassment?  

Nope, then they would have to identify themselves.

Oh, and don't bother contacting Cashnet USA about the calls.  Their "fraud" department could honestly care less.  Their "investigation" is merely a means of buerocratic CYA.  I would even be surprised at this point if actual law enforcement is involved in any shape, way or form at this time.  

There is a good chance that the information these crooks have on us was obtained from Cashnet USA - either from a database leak or from a collector that was once authorized by Cashnet to call on delinquent customers.  The other chance is they have access to Teletrack, and pulled all of our information off of there.

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-646-274-1143/3

For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan.  The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:

United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)

You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse.  In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt.  Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.  

Who are they?

In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:

David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida  33150
(Address is likely invalid)

The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates.  Here are some links on them:

http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf

They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations.  They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.  

The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:

Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone:  800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)

There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:

Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml

Kansas:  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html

Colorado:  
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig

Rhode Island:  
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html

West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm

Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.  

"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit.  The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.

Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives.  Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."

Bottom line:

Do not supply the callers with any additional information.  Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up.  If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond.  Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.  

If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.  
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:

* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you.  The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example.  Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.

* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site.  People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.  

* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.  


How to protect yourself:

* Inform your employer.  You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously.  Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work.  If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received.  Save voice mails left if at all possible.  

* Change your number(s).  For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.

Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted.  Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.

* Use Google Voice.  Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use.  Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.  

Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers.  Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script.  At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up.  They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number.  At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again.  (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)

The scammers change their numbers frequently.  Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online.  With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.  Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.

1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870

So can they really do anything to you?

It's not a simple yes or no answer.  Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.  

So, why haven't they?  

Authorization.  

Why do you think you are being called so much?  Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice?  No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period.  The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past.  Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.

Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough.  A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists.  The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe.  Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt.  See what they say.  A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that.  That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason.  If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution.  In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account.  Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.  

Bottom line:

If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't.  If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't.  Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector.  Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.

PS--The FBI sent out a Press Release on this scam just last week:

Extortion Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans

Washington, D.C.
December 07, 2010  FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691

? filed under: Press Release

The Internet Crime Complaint Center has received many complaints from victims of payday loan telephone collection scams. Callers claim the victim is delinquent in a payday loan and must repay the loan to avoid legal consequences. The callers purport to be representatives of the FBI, Federal Legislative Department, various law firms, or other legitimate-sounding agencies. They claim to be collecting debts for companies such as United Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Net, and other Internet check-cashing services.

According to complaints received from the public, the callers have accurate data about victims, including Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, employer information, bank account numbers, and the names and telephone numbers of relatives and friends. How the fraudsters obtained the personal information varies, but in some cases victims have reported they completed online applications for other loans or credit cards before the calls started.

The fraudsters relentlessly call the victim?s home, cell phone, and place of employment. They refuse to provide any details about the alleged payday loans and become abusive when questioned. The callers have threatened victims with legal actions, arrests, and, in some cases, physical violence if they do not pay. In many cases, the callers harass victims? relatives, friends, and employers.

Some fraudsters have instructed victims to fax a statement agreeing to pay a certain amount, on a specific date, via a pre-paid Visa card. The statement further declares the victim will never dispute the debt.

If you receive these calls, do not follow the caller?s instructions. Rather, you should:

Notify your banking institutions.
Contact the three major credit bureaus and request an alert be put on your file.
Contact your local law enforcement agencies if you feel you are in immediate danger.
File a complaint at www.IC3.gov.
Tips to avoid becoming a victim of this scam:

Never give your Social Security number?or personal information of any kind?over the telephone or online unless you initiate the contact.
Be suspicious of any e-mail with urgent requests for personal financial information. The e-mail may include upsetting or exciting but false statements to get you to react immediately.
Avoid filling out forms in e-mail messages that request personal information.
Ensure that your browser is up-to-date and security patches have been applied.
Check your bank, credit, and debit card statements regularly to make sure that there are no unauthorized transactions. If anything looks suspicious, contact your bank and all card issuers.
When you contact companies, use numbers provided on the back of cards or statements

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/paydayloanscam_120710
Toni
Toni
2011-02-22 20:18:21
Debt Collector
Received a call just like the other ones, the caller says his name is officer Jack Adams. He also called my place of employment and called my boss a f word when he wouldn't give him any information. DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY AND DON'T VERIFY YOUR INFORAMTION.
jason
jason
2011-02-17 20:55:54
Unknown
the same guy call my step doughter saying the same things but they went to the extreams of calling her job her friends ect. then we tryed to look them up and found all this....... so i called the back (repedily) untill they stopped takeing my calls (that made me sad cus i was haveing fun messing with these dumba**) they even went to the extream of saying they were going to bend my step doughter over and fu**ing her infront of me ................ if anyone finds out who these ppl please reply to my post and let me know
How stupid do you think I am!!!
How stupid do you think I am!!!
2011-02-17 04:22:08
Unknown
Received two calls for Office Eric Smith (number is a landline in Elizabeth,PA ). One on my cell left a message couldn't understand about half of what he was saying and one at work on feb.15. Wanting me to verify my information SS#,Address,etc.... Told me I was going to be arrested if I didn't answer him. I told him to go ahead and call the police. The next day I got a call from the same United Investigation Department this time he said he was in CA. His name Danny Copper.(424)261-4651. I let him know he sounds just like Eric Smith in PA. I could hear him whisper to so someone and a man named Harry Brown came on. He told me the same story I hear yesterday. So I called My sheriff department  who came over and listen to the messages on my cell #. So we called both numbers. The sheriff told them to stop calling me. The guy start to yell shut up  and f**k you over and over then hung up on us. So we called they back over and over until they block my number. Got a love it. WHAT A JOKE.
danielle honea
danielle honea
2011-02-11 22:27:16
Unknown
received a voice mail from this number. Caller stated his name was officer eric smith. He stated an individual was facing crimminal charges but had used my name as a reference and wanted to speak with me before questioning this person. I do not know the iddividual they are speaking of.
Jane
Jane
2011-02-10 03:23:05
Unknown
Justin Simpson! Total Jerk! He called me at work and told me I had a warrant out for my arrest and that I would be behind bars if I didn't do what he instructed me to do. I hung up on him and he called back very upset and told one of the girls at my job that I had commited a serious crime. I googled his name and found out I'm not the only one he's harrasing. Total Scam!!!!!
MIESHA WILLIAMS
MIESHA WILLIAMS
2011-02-09 16:42:35
Unknown
A Scott Jones has been harassing me for the last past week. About a payday loan I never had.
THIS NUMBER KEEPS POPPING UP AND TELLING ME THAT I'LL BE SEEING MY LOCAL POLICE.
swim mama
swim mama
2011-02-07 20:37:17
Debt Collector
Scam artists.  Have been dealing with them for months now.  Officer Victor Logan threatening my safety.  A***oles.
this is dodgeville police just refer the
this is dodgeville police just refer the
2011-02-03 17:03:10
Unknown
please refe this numb to fbi in jesus name thank god for his protection
Jose
Jose
2011-02-01 20:00:48
Debt Collector
I just recieve the same call today. And it scared the crap out of me.  My callers name was Eric Smith and a unknown male. They stated that one is an constiable and the other an police officer.  I am glad I found this site it just gave me the extra information to relax.  I think Im going to get an air horn and see if they like that everytime they call.
Stella/OFGC
Stella/OFGC
2011-01-28 13:40:00
Debt Collector
Paul Smith.....with a very heavy Indian accent keeps calling for one of our employees. Now that I know it's a scam I will let them know the next time that they have been reported to authorities.
THERESA
THERESA
2011-01-20 16:01:47
Debt Collector
I GOT PHONE CALL FROM A 412 # YESTERDAY @ 4 TELLING ME I HAD TOOK A LOAN OUT THAT I NEVER DID, SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME BY TELLING ME I WAS GUNNA BE PICKED UP @ WK AND KNEW THE ADDRESS OR FROM HOME AND ALSO KNOW THE ADDRESS, THOUGHT THIS WAS REAL I WAS GOIN TO PAY THE MONEY THATS HOW SCRARED IT HAD ME, BUT I DIDNT, THANK GOD FOR GOOGLE!! WHICH BROUGHT ME TO THIS SITE. THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE STOPPPED!!!!
Tanisha Bashful
Tanisha Bashful
2011-01-19 17:21:56
Debt Collector
They are harassing me saying that I have an unpaid debt and will be arrested at my residence or my place of work. I have no knowledge or record of this debt nor have I gotten anything in the mail or email.
Jeri Johnson
Jeri Johnson
2011-01-19 15:46:06
Unknown
Got a call from this number that said I had an outstanding warrant for my arrest. They had my social security number and address but could not tell me a name of a company or anything. SCAM! DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION!!!!
felice
felice
2011-01-19 14:49:33
Unknown
Scam artist - tried getting me to send money on a nonexistent payday loan.  Justin Simpson with a HEAVY indian accent.  I did google translate and spoke to him in his own language and told him to eff offf.
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