This is a legitimate phone number from a law firm. I owed a bunch of money, and they represent banks, credit unions, and other lenders. They were pretty cool, but made it clear that I needed to get the money paid back. So we set up a plan.

Being recently retired after twenty-four years as a federal court judge, I am now able to share what I have seen in my courtroom all too often.

In regards to the lady or gentleman's remarks about KROHN AND MOSS, I can state unequivocally that these so-called "consumer rights attorneys" are on an equal playing field with those so-called "debt collection attorneys."

What I saw in my own courtroom-- all too often, and this includes "debt relief service companies"-- are people who owed lawful and legitimate debts and decided to hire attorneys to sue the creditor or attorneys collecting on the debt.

So with the pressures of financial hardship clouding their decision-making, they turn to so-called "consumer rights attorneys" or "debt relief agencies."

The "consumers rights attorneys" or "debt relief agencies" promise to file a lawsuit. They tell the debtor that, not only will they get the creditor to relieve the debt, but the debtor will actually GET money from the lawsuit.

Unfortunately, what these "consumer rights attorneys" do not address in detail-- and this may or may not include KROHN AND MOSS-- is that they only get paid if they win the case, and that the CLIENT is responsible for any attorneys' fees in the event that they do not win the case or settle.

The point is, the existence of a lawful and legitimate debt is usually the ONLY FACT that is not in dispute.

All too often, I sat at the bench in my courtroom and awarded attorneys' fees in tens of thousands of dollars against debtors who, in the heat of being agitated, ran to consumers rights attorneys to file a lawsuit. It pained me to see the look of the debtors when the grim reality of still owing on the original debt-- as well as now owing thousands of dollars in attorneys' fees-- came across them.

What I learned in my years as a federal judge is simple: be careful what you wish for. Is it true that some attorneys who collect debt are, as you so eloquently put it, "dirtbags"? Yes. Are some of these consumer rights firms, who promise their clients to file lawsuits and win them money-- without fully explaining that YOU will be held liable for the other parties' attorneys fees-- also, to borrow your phrase, "dirtbags"? Yes.

And I am not speaking specifically to KROHN AND MOSS or to any other party that has been referred to on this website. The fact of the matter is that lawsuits and threats of lawsuits are very dirty business. I witnessed the carnage for twenty-four years.

My advice to all is to keep a cool head. If you owe a debt, try to take responsibility and do your best to amicably resolve that debt. If you are collecting on a debt, try to take responsibility for your actions in collecting on that debt and do your best to amicably resolve the debt.

Just remember, very rarely does anyone benefit when they fail to act with a calm head. And very rarely does someone benefit when they refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Because when you put your hand on that Bible and swear to tell the truth, there is no going back. God Bless.

Just got a call from these dirt bags, kept telling the collector to quit pressing me for a payment, he got an attitude so I warned him that I would call my attorney;s at Krohn and Moss. He got an even worse attitude so I hung up on the guy and called my paralegal at Krohn and Moss.

David Green and his collectors are now going to be sued for FDCPA violations in federal court.

Thank You KROHN And MOSS!!!!

Once again -- someone has to do your job.  As far as I care -- keep calling,  I'll just say "wait a minute" and walk away. & then let the phone company deal with you.

Why should I write a formal letter to someone who does not verify their own information?  and then spend the money to send it certified so you can't say "never recieved"

You deal with shady people all the time -- do you really think that they'll give you factual information so you can track them down?  Why think that whoever answers the phone knows the party you are trying to contact?

I doubt that anyone called from their office stating they are from CPS. If anyone if falsely representing themselves as such, you need to get that information on recording and submit it to attorney general, cause that is a clear violation of FDCPA..... "no false or misleading information [ . . . ]"

I am a "bill collector," and quite honestly, am appalled at the reputation that they get. I do not conduct my business in that manner, and I refuse to act in anyway shape or form irrational. BUT!! You need to understand you cannot blame the economy downfall for your debt. No excuse is liable, because you still agreed to the terms and conditions of the contract you signed. Understand the more you get heated with a bill collector, the more they are going to not be willing to work with you. Frustration only breeds frustration. The more you make excuses for your delinquency, the less options you will have.

OH! And don't judge every collector by the one's you talk to. If you get someone who is rude, ask to speak to another individual, and don't be afraid to tell them that. But you have to understand, bill collectors are people too, and they have endured the same situations you are going through. That is why they don't have sympathy for people that don't make an attempt to resolve.

YOU GUYS SUCK AT WHAT YOU DO. YOU SHOULD NOT CALL SOME ONE AND WANT SOMETHHING FROM US IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A***OLES ABOUT IT. TIMES HARD  AND YOU PEOPLE DONT GIVE A CRAP. SOME DAY I  HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS LIKE.THEN YOU MIGHT NOT BE THE WAY YOU ARE.

Unfortunately, they are trying to do business with you. It is in regards to your personal business. I understand that you may have been mislead, but that was not their intentions. When they are asked 'what this call is in regards to?' they cannot tell you, that would be a violation of FDCPA, the most they can inform you is that it is pertaining to your personal business matter. So, in other words, they are trying to do business with you. It's their job to inform you about the delinquent account, because they are trying to confirm if you are refusing to pay, or if you are going through a hardship right now. The more you are in contact with the agency, the better of a response you will get, and they won't be rude. The more you disregard the calls, cause they can tell when you are not being honest, or dodging, hiding or just ignoring it. And by doing that will decrease the chances of them wanting to help you. The thing people need to understand is that they are people as well, and that when the individual is being agressive, it just causes the other individual to act the same. If I where you "Tired," just call them, they may be rude initially, but just stand your ground, act very calm and collectively, and the worst that they will do is say you need to come up with a way to resolve it. If not they can pursue legal action, if it states in the contract.

Now, in response to your remark to Mr. Green, you can file a complaint, but it would be rather pointless. Unless you have submitted a formal letter, it will not hold up in court. They are only calling the numbers that have been known or have been listed as the individual. And if they have established contact with the individual on your number, then they are going to feel that their is someone that knows the whereabouts of the individual. If you want to stop all contact with the agency, you need to submit the information in writing.

The only way a collector can disclose to a spouse is if the state they are married in is considered a community property state. If the debt was aquired before the marriage, they are not allowed to disclose, even if community property.

Unfortunately, he cannot, by law, disclose any 3rd party information. That means, regardless, if you are blood, if you are not her spouse or legal representative, or have a POA on her behalf, he cannot explain anything in regards to it. The most he can tell you is that it is in regards to her personal business matter that needs her immediate attention on. If you are concerned that there may be possible legal action on her behalf, I would suggest having her call in briefly to give 3rd party disclosure permission to have them talk to you. Unfortunately, without that authorization, they cannot tell you anything no matter how frustrating it may be. Sorry.

All you have to do is write a formal letter stating that you want to cease all contact with you or your contacts to the address given, and that will stop all contact. But you have to make sure that you send it to the right address. A verbal cease does not constitute grounds to stop action.... It's their job.

Ok, by law a collector can not disclose any information to a 3rd party  regarding a collection matter that one may have however,if a 3rd party has(POA) power of attorney over the individual that the collector or law firm is calling for the collector may then disclose, a fax of the power of attorney maybe requested to validate the power of attorney. Another acception is, a collector may disclose 3rd party information to the spouse of the individual that the collector or attorney is attempting to contact.Also,if a collector is told that they are talking to an attorney that represents the individual that the collector or attorney is attempting to contact they may disclose with out 3rd party permission.A COLLECTOR NEEDS 3RD PARTY PERMISION FROM THE DEBTOR TO DISCLOSE TO ANY 3RD PARTY. EXEMPT ARE THE DEBTORS ATTORNEY, THE DEBTOR'S SPOUSE AND ANYONE WHO HOLDS POWER OF ATTORNEY OVER THE DEBTOR. SO FOR ALL YOU PARENTS IM SORRY BUT ONCE YOUR LITTLE GUY OR GIRL TURNS 18 THEY ARE NOW LEGALY AN ADULT AND THERE PERSONAL INFORMATION IS PROTECTED.ITS YOUR CHILDS LEGAL RIGHT TO KEEP ANY OF THERE INFORMATION PRIVET ITS NOTHING PERSONAL ITS THE LAW. I HOPE THIS HAS CLEARED UP ANY CONFUSION

This guy called saying his name is Mr. Bradford. He works for Attorney David Green. He gave me this number: (602)200-8444. He wants to talke to my daughter and I asked him, Can he tell me what is going on because my daughter is in the hospital and I have the right to know. He claims it's confidential.

its not illegal to leave a message and u might want to be careful cause they could be calling to verifi your employment to start further proceedings the best thing to do is to set up arrangments and be professional if your hanging up on the collectors and calling them names dont think that there gonna work with u they dont have to give u payments unless it states in your contract that they do remember u get what u give and they are just doing there job

I keep getting calls at my workplace from a rep of Atty David Green. Now, they're calling my boss and leaving messages for him also. Is this legal?????

Also be aware that Mr. David Green does in fact have his people call your family members, announce they are with CPS, who they are looking for and state they are attorneys.  Family members are great at coming up with their own versions of messages after mulling it over for a while.

This company "law office of David Green" called an employment stating that they wanted to do business. When in fact they were just trying to locate a certain person. Never did they say they were a collection agency or that they were trying to verify anything. The person that called was very rude and pushy. They also call my number stating they are calling from the law office of David Green leave message for certain a person and no where on that message does it say they are a collection agency. I don't know, but all of that does not sound ethical to me...

Calls keep coming from 602-200-8452/8446, Atty David Green, looking for Jermey, who may have had this number in the past, but presently not a clue who that clown is and definitely not living at the phone # they keep calling. I have repeatedly requested my phone number be removed from their DB. I get "polite" answers OK it will be removed, or "it's not in our DB". It never does work -- they keep crawling back, like parisites!

I have notified Mr. Motocelli(or whatever his "real" name is) on 7-31-09 -- that this is a formal notice to DO NOT CALL THIS NUMBER again.  I have instituted call tracking and the next phone call will be the 3rd in under one month -- which is enough according to the phone company to begin actions against them!

Mr Green - As you stated in your post it has nothing to do with you but my "situation".  I don't have a "situation" other than you and your office ignoring "DO NOT CALL" requests. One more phone call & I will file a complaint with the BAR. !

So Mr Green -- anything to say now?????

Here is a website that I found by chance that lists the laws about collection agencies and your legal rights.  I have found that it has been very helpful to the general public.  You can stop these agencies from calling you at home or at work.  I suggest you pass this information on to everybody that you know.  These people are so rude and right now we need all the help we can get to help resolve any debt that we may owe, but let's put these people out of business by helping each other.  If they don't collect, they don't get paid.  Go to www.creditclean.com they are wonderful.

They keep calling me to collect money but I have never heard of them before, and they are not a collecting agency.

Make sure than any "collector" (attorney, law firm, or collection agency) is NOT calling family members and/or friends and telling them you owe a debt.  Additionally, make sure they are not threatening "prosecution".  Also, they are required by law to notify YOU that they are a debt collector and any information they receive is for the purpose of collecting a debt.  They must be in compliance with the FDCPA.

Unfortunately, the Arizona State Bar website only lists disciplinary actions already taken, not disciplinary proceedings.

Using that forum, the public can't see whether or not the attorney has a current proceeding against him.

All you can find out is that he was admitted to the bar in 2003, retired in 2006, and returned to active status a little over two months later.

If, of course, this is the David Green at 1616 E. Indian School Rd. in Phoenix.

Oh, and by the way, I have been practicing law for several years AND HAVE NOT had one bar complaint filed against me in any jurisdiction in which I have practiced.

It's not a good idea to listen to the lies of another, then spread those lies around as if they were fact. Those are the things everyone should learn in kindergarten. Kindest regards.

http://stollerexposed.blog.com/

I am an attorney and I have not been indicted for fraud.

Unfortunately, I think you are a victim of believing everything you read on the internet.

If you go back to the article you read on the internet about me "being indicted for fraud," you will see that the gentleman who posted that article has some serious issues regarding his credibility. He posts those things on his blog in an attempt to coerce attorneys into withdrawing lawful and legitimate claims their clients may have against him. When the attorneys refuse to do so, he posts crap like the "attorney was indicted" or whatever. He has been disciplined by many couerts and it is believed he is currently in jail.

Me? I don't engage in that behavior. I take my duties as an attorney very seriously, and if you have some reason not to like me, the chances are that it has nothing to do with me but the situation you find yourself in.

I don't know who you are, but I wish you the best. And I suggest you check out the following website that describes the man who lied about me "being indicted for fraud."

http://stollerexposed.blog.com/

He sounds like a wonderful person, huh? Take care, and try not to believe everything you read on the internet-- unless you are willing to take the time and make the effort to see that you are relying on credible sources.

He is an attorney, however he has been indicted for fraud. Here is the link to check it out   http://rentamark.blog.com/4462253/  . I would try to negotiate with original creditor and tell them he is currently in trouble for fraud and you are not comfortable dealing with him. You can also go to Arizona Bar Association website and get the details of ALL the complaints on him. Very shady.  I was getting calls for my brother from them in regards to an old credit union account. They were very aggressive on phone. When we gave info on attorney to my brother, he got ahold of credit union and took care of it with them.

when the collection firm didn't get a hold of me for money i owed they gave it to their lawyer got a letter and this number came up when the lawyer called told me about the money i owed

the guy is an attorney   talked to him personally i told him i wouldn't pay the money back  he filed a lawsuit and now i'm getting my wages garnished

I didn't know who it was either but if they can't get a hold of who owes money they call the references you used for the loan to get in touch with you or they use

This is a law firm- Law Offices of David Green, PC. The attorney represents banks, credit unions, and other big money lenders. You must owe someone money. These guys are pretty cool, but the guy is an attorney and doesn't liked tobe jerked around.