Just received a phone call from this number stating that I had to call them back immediately and insinuating dire consequences if I did not.

An east Indian male voice claimed he was John Williams  from the MacKenzie Legal Association.  I know this pitch already they try to intimidate you into paying a loan debt you don't have & claim they will send the Marshal to your employment or house to arrest you.  I immediately pressed him for info & got the same phone # he was calling from & he hung up on me.  Upon call back to this # I got another east Indian male voice claiming to be Ron.  I told him I was informing him to cease & desist any more harassing phone  calls to my # that I had contacted the FTC & FBI & CA Attny Gen offices & filed reports & he kept saying, "uh-huh, I understand, OK".  DO NOT let these idiot frauders intimidate you!!!!  DO file reports if you have to, but respond to them with insistance that THEY ARE THE FRAUD THEY ARE & YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!  I shudder to think of the elderly & timid that get bamboozeled by these tactics!!!

I received one of these calls this morning while I was with my employees. I was dumbfounded. Thank you everyone who posted I now know that this is a scam. Wow the lengths that people will go to.

I just recently received this message as well and it followed the same script as previously reported in this forum. I would like to thank everyone else who has reported this as a scam because the message itself was a little disconcerting.

They called me, same story, I "owe money" and will be arrested and sued and all that. They said they were from Mckenzie Law Firm in Hayward, CA but gave me a Texas fax number. I contacted the REAL Mckenzie and Associates in Hayward, CA, they know that there are people claiming to be from their firm but they assured me it was a scam, besides they deal exclusively in Family Law

you're rite but to be more specific it is a variation of the very already well known and in use OFF SHORE PAYDAY LOAN DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM. So this is another result of the US shipping jobs over seas:(

I think in keeping with the spirit Christmas we could even go so far as to come up with a song as well- you know one that is consistent with there intentions- Being that they are a OFFSHORE PAYDAY LOAN DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM OR
OS-PDL-DC-ES FOR SHORT how about this for starters: IMAGINE THE HARMONY OF THE SONG "DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR" BUT RATHER SUBSTITUTE THE WORDS OFF-SHORE-PAYDAYLOAN-DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM..  OFFSHORE-PAYDAYLOAN DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM. I bet we could make that work...HAHAHAHAA

, IN OTHER WORDS THIS IS WHAT THE USA GETS IN EXCHANGE FOR ITS INVESTMENT IN  SHIPPING ITS OWN JOBS OVERSEES(ones that have specific legal and personal reasons supporting them being USA BASED) , MERELY TO THE ADVANTAGE OF the already over-leveraged INTERESTS of CORPORATE PROFITS. WE ARE the 99%!!!

Yes indeed these scams are becoming more and more sophisticated all the time and it seems they are more frequently seen around the holidays along with all the other fraud running rampant in this country.

I just received a call from this number as well, the person was a man speaking English with a strong east Indian accent he spoke at high volume in a very forceful manner stating following: check out this script:
"THIS MSG IS FOR insert name. Then he says "THE SECOND YOU RECEIVE THIS MSG I NEED YOU OR YOUR RETAINED ATTORNEY OF RECORD TO GIVE ME A CALL PLEASE KNOW THIS MATTER IS VERY TIME SENSITIVE, PLEASE DO NOT DISREGARD THIS CALL. Then he says without mentioning the name of his company or the reason he is calling"MY NAME IS TONY BROWN(no doubt one of many aliases) THE EXTENSION TO MY LINE IS 619 500 4379"  Then he concludes with  "IF I DO NOT HEAR FROM YOU OR YOUR ATTORNEY ALL I CAN DO IS WISH YOU GOOD LUCK AS THE SITUATION UNFOLDS ON YOU!!!

It is my hope that by being posting this it will save someone time and grief should they experience the same or similar call from some jack*** posing as a legit business entity.

First off I want to think all those on this post that took the time to write in as together we hold power against these internet/phone criminals by sharing information. I must say the call got my attention but I think that is only because these individuals have had time to polish their script, however something about the call was just not genuine even if I did not know exactly why. Upon reading others experiences mentioned in this post I see my suspicions are confirmed they are indeed NOT LEGIT!!!

Also when I saw the the name US ADVANCE in an earlier post I immediately connected this call to the the PAYDAY LOAN I applied for. I know this is a legitimate business for some, but it is sad that these kind of people gave an otherwise well meaning business a bad reputation!!

One last thing during that period when I was applying for loans, I had the unfortunate experience of having money taken out of my account luckily I did not have anything in there and so the thieves were unsuccessful. However the fact that I would apply  for a short term loan, and in good faith give them my account info so the deposit could be made, and these same people who are supposing to be helping me would take that information and format an electronic check made payable to themselves and attempt to cash it... TOTALLY PATHETIC

I would advise people to stay away from these payday loan I am sure there are some out there that are operating with honesty and integrity but among the sea of crooks HOW ARE WE TO KNOW WHO IS FOR REAL AND WHO IS TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING!!!
Caller: TONY BROWN

The whistle i love it yes very good suggestion, I think in keeping with the spirit Christmas we could even go so far as to come up with a song as well- you know one that is consistent with there intentions- Being that they are a OFFSHORE PAYDAY LOAN DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM OR
OS-PDL-DC-ES FOR SHORT how about this for starters: IMAGINE THE HARMONY OF THE SONG "DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR" BUT RATHER SUBSTITUTE THE WORDS OFF-SHORE-PAYDAYLOAN-DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM..  OFFSHORE-PAYDAYLOAN DEBT COLLECTION EXTORTION SCAM. I bet we could make that work...HAHAHAHAA

, IN OTHER WORDS THIS IS WHAT THE USA GETS IN EXCHANGE FOR ITS INVESTMENT IN  SHIPPING ITS OWN JOBS OVERSEES(ones that have specific legal and personal reasons supporting them being USA BASED) , MERELY TO THE ADVANTAGE OF the already over-leveraged INTERESTS of CORPORATE PROFITS. WE ARE the 99%!!!

Just got a phone call.  They left the message on my voice mail with the same script as others have had.  I called back told them I did not owe and will not pay someone I do not owe money to...they became abusive so they got what any other disgusting caller gets.  May I suggest purchasing a whistle.

Blowing this whistle several times **very loudly** and then hanging up and then calling them back and repeating the whistle blowing several times was very theraputic for me.  After the 5th phone call and whistle blowing they just say Ms._________ please stop calling us there is nothing else we can do for you since you will not listen, I told them I will quit calling them when they quit calling me.  I was told that this was the last time they will call me, however, I am keeping my handy whistle close by.

yes they keep calling my work and my cell threating me that i own money. they use different names and phone numbers, when you try calling back the numbers it goes to a box number. They don't speak clear english but use english names...............this is a FRAUD

I read through your post and realized that I had a duty to report my experience in the hope helping someone else out there who in good faith applied for a pay day loan from what it appeared to be a legitimate business entity. My intention is to be as detailed as possible to ensure accuracy and clarity

On Dec 16 at 1021 am PST I received the following voicemail:

a man speaking English with a strong east Indian accent he spoke at high volume in a very forceful manner stating following: check out this script:
"THIS MSG IS FOR insert name. Then he says "THE SECOND YOU RECEIVE THIS MSG I NEED YOU OR YOUR RETAINED ATTORNEY OF RECORD TO GIVE ME A CALL PLEASE KNOW THIS MATTER IS VERY TIME SENSITIVE, PLEASE DO NOT DISREGARD THIS CALL. Then he says without mentioning the name of his company or the reason he is calling"MY NAME IS TONY BROWN(no doubt one of many aliases) THE EXTENSION TO MY LINE IS 619 500 4379"  Then he concludes with  "IF I DO NOT HEAR FROM YOU OR YOUR ATTORNEY ALL I CAN DO IS WISH YOU GOOD LUCK AS THE SITUATION UNFOLDS ON YOU!!!

I hope they catch these spineless criminals!!!

Yes indeed these scams are becoming more and more sophisticated all the time and it seems they are more frequently seen around the holidays along with all the other fraud running rampant in this country.

I just received a call from this number as well, the person was a man speaking English with a strong east Indian accent he spoke at high volume in a very forceful manner stating following: check out this script:
"THIS MSG IS FOR insert name. Then he says "THE SECOND YOU RECEIVE THIS MSG I NEED YOU OR YOUR RETAINED ATTORNEY OF RECORD TO GIVE ME A CALL PLEASE KNOW THIS MATTER IS VERY TIME SENSITIVE, PLEASE DO NOT DISREGARD THIS CALL. Then he says without mentioning the name of his company or the reason he is calling"MY NAME IS TONY BROWN(no doubt one of many aliases) THE EXTENSION TO MY LINE IS 619 500 4379"  Then he concludes with  "IF I DO NOT HEAR FROM YOU OR YOUR ATTORNEY ALL I CAN DO IS WISH YOU GOOD LUCK AS THE SITUATION UNFOLDS ON YOU!!!

It is my hope that by being posting this it will save someone time and grief should they experience the same or similar call from some jack*** posing as a legit business entity.

First off I want to think all those on this post that took the time to write in as together we hold power against these internet/phone criminals by sharing information. I must say the call got my attention but I think that is only because these individuals have had time to polish their script, however something about the call was just not genuine even if I did not know exactly why. Upon reading others experiences mentioned in this post I see my suspicions are confirmed they are indeed NOT LEGIT!!!

Also when I saw the the name US ADVANCE in an earlier post I immediately connected this call to the the PAYDAY LOAN I applied for. I know this is a legitimate business for some, but it is sad that these kind of people gave an otherwise well meaning business a bad reputation!!

One last thing during that period when I was applying for loans, I had the unfortunate experience of having money taken out of my account luckily I did not have anything in there and so the thieves were unsuccessful. However the fact that I would apply  for a short term loan, and in good faith give them my account info so the deposit could be made, and these same people who are supposing to be helping me would take that information and format an electronic check made payable to themselves and attempt to cash it... TOTALLY PATHETIC

I would advise people to stay away from these payday loan I am sure there are some out there that are operating with honesty and integrity but among the sea of crooks HOW ARE WE TO KNOW WHO IS FOR REAL AND WHO IS TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING!!!

I too have received these. 11 today!

Print off this thread and give it to your employer:

This is an offshore payday loan debt collection extortion scam that has been going on for at least five years. The FBI is aware of it but is unable to go after those involved due to lack of money and manpower. I looked back and found some old information which may prove to be helpful:

They obtained your information through Teletrack:

Kudos to "Sam" for giving the most intelligent and informative posts on this scam. READ, Bookmark and use as needed:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-631-456-4041/2

I have been receiving phone calls from this group since late April / early May of 2010.  There is a good chance that they also attempted to contact me roughly two years ago before I entered into Chapter 7 Bankruptcy protection, as I faintly remember hearing the same script more or less.

As others have stated, the callers are difficult to understand.  Generally speaking their command of the English language is quite poor and their accents are hard to follow. At times they will get certain words or phrases mixed up.  It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they had:

a) Your SSN
b) Your home address
c) Your work address
d) Your banking info
e) Names, numbers and potentially the addresses of "references"
f) A complete and total lack of ethics and a basic understanding of the FDCPA.  

I have personally filed reports with the following agencies, often with limited (if any) success:

Local Police
my state's Attorney General's office
FTC
FBI
Secret Service

Generally the local police won't be able to help much.  The callers are using a combination of prepaid cell phones and VoIP, making them difficult to trace.  Also at their disposal are various spoofing tactics being implemented to catch people off guard - meaning the number that appears on your Caller ID isn't the number that is calling you for starters.  Without gaining a subpoena for the billing information for the numbers in question, the local police won't be able to get very far.  

My state's Attorney General's office couldn't offer much assistance either.  I received a form letter in the mail that my complaint was received and I would be contacted if they needed additional info.  It was more or less the same information I obtained from the FTC.  They each advised me not to give the individuals over the phone any account information or to authorize payment.  That's just common sense, though.

I never got anything from the FBI, either.  There is a good chance that since I haven't suffered a monetary loss that my concerns are low on the totem pole.  I hate to say this, but that is truly the case. Unless you were in the hole for a $1,000 (or more) you aren't going to get much more than "sorry to hear about your situation, change your phone number and move on".  I seemed to get some activity from the Secret Service.  I spoke with agent Doug Zloto. (Google him, referencing threads like these plus his name and you'll find his number also)  He seemed to care a bit more than the average person, but after giving him access to my Google Voice account, there has been no further activity from him that I'm aware of.

In the meantime I changed the wireless number the fraudsters had access to, they have no direct way to get a hold of me.  (Calls at work have ceased for some reason)  That in turn resulted in my "references" getting phone calls from the crooks.  Here is a word of caution for women that have been getting these calls - don't say anything and just hang up.  The callers are quite abusive towards women callers.  Why?  Possibly the culture.  If they are Indian / Pakistani, women are second class citizens there.  You will be treated like garbage.  This happened to a family member when she was trying her best to be extremely nice over the phone.  

The callers currently attempt to reach me through the female family member and an unused Google Voice number that they managed to find of mine.  I keep the Google Voice number open because, well, I can't delete it yet.  So, about every day, 4-5 times a day for the last week, I get voice messages from them.  It's usually just two full messages though - the other calls are broken up with static or they are attempts to read the script until the callers then screw up.  Really, they are that adamant on getting the script 100% that they will hang up mid-sentence and call back 30 seconds later.  

At this point it's a stalemate with these people.  

1) While they have the lion's share of information on us, they can't really do anything with this information.  

Why?  Think about it.

If they were to ever take funds out of your account without authorization, it's fraud and worse (for them) it is traceable.  That's why they won't do anything with your information, contrary to threats they make.  The money from your account has to go somewhere, and either your bank or a law enforcement agency can determine where the money was routed.  As a bank customer you are protected - you'd get the stolen money back in your account after 7-10 business days and the bank would be temporarily out the funds deducted from your account while they conducted their investigation.  The bank, along with law enforcement, would track down the fraudsters and apprehend them.  The fraudsters do not want to incur the wrath of a bank, just extort money out of you.  Remember that.    

Your authorization would absolve the bank from any and all liability, leaving you holding the bag.  Never give them authorization for anything - for all you know the call is recorded.  

2) We have no information on them.

Seriously, this has been going on at least since 2008, possibly longer than that based on some accounts. (6 years??? Holy crap!)  You would think someone would have slipped up by now.  Sadly, they haven't.  We can continue to grow our own intel on them and compile lists of aliases and phone numbers used, along with paraphrases of scripts used in order to educate other victims.  I'm actually putting together a site now in the meantime where I'll host audio files and lists of previous numbers used.  800notes.com is great, but no two calls are exactly the same.  It would be nice to have a site dedicated to the scam and how it works.

So that's where I am with these calls.  I have suffered no monetary loss, though I have been harassed both at home and at work.  They threaten me with arrest and other "fun" things in order to get me convinced I have to pay them.  My friends and family have been targeted and local and federal law enforcement agencies haven't been able to put a stop to things.  So, it is what it is.  I am out a wireless phone number I had for roughly six years, which is terrible since I was using that line when looking for a new job.  

Whenever I'm bored I spoof my number using Google Voice and return the calls.  I've called them the poster children for birth control, etc.  Basically a lot of nasty things that I'm sure the moderators here wouldn't appreciate me repeating - bottom line nothing nice.  I always like to close saying their parents must be real proud knowing their sons weren't man enough to get real jobs.  That usually gets a decent response.  

Way I see it - they can't do anything to me. (Despite a threat yesterday that my life would be f'ed up)  They can threaten all they want but my credit is frozen and my bank information has changed.  I've changed the only number they could really access me directly on and I've instructed my employer and family to not answer the calls.  I just call and harass them now when I find a few extra seconds.  What's the worst they can do to me?  Charge me with harassment?  

Nope, then they would have to identify themselves.

Oh, and don't bother contacting Cashnet USA about the calls.  Their "fraud" department could honestly care less.  Their "investigation" is merely a means of buerocratic CYA.  I would even be surprised at this point if actual law enforcement is involved in any shape, way or form at this time.  

There is a good chance that the information these crooks have on us was obtained from Cashnet USA - either from a database leak or from a collector that was once authorized by Cashnet to call on delinquent customers.  The other chance is they have access to Teletrack, and pulled all of our information off of there.

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-646-274-1143/3

For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan.  The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:

United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)

You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse.  In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt.  Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.  

Who are they?

In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:

David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida  33150
(Address is likely invalid)

The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates.  Here are some links on them:

http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf

They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations.  They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.  

The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:

Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone:  800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)

There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:

Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml

Kansas:  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html

Colorado:  
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig

Rhode Island:  
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html

West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm

Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.  

"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit.  The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.

Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives.  Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."

Bottom line:

Do not supply the callers with any additional information.  Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up.  If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond.  Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.  

If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.  
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:

* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you.  The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example.  Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.

* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site.  People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.  

* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.  


How to protect yourself:

* Inform your employer.  You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously.  Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work.  If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received.  Save voice mails left if at all possible.  

* Change your number(s).  For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.

Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted.  Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.

* Use Google Voice.  Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use.  Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.  

Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers.  Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script.  At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up.  They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number.  At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again.  (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)

The scammers change their numbers frequently.  Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online.  With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.  Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.

1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870

So can they really do anything to you?

It's not a simple yes or no answer.  Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.  

So, why haven't they?  

Authorization.  

Why do you think you are being called so much?  Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice?  No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period.  The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past.  Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.

Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough.  A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists.  The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe.  Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt.  See what they say.  A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that.  That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason.  If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution.  In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account.  Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.  

Bottom line:

If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't.  If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't.  Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector.  Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.

PS--The FBI sent out a Press Release on this scam just last week:

Extortion Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans

Washington, D.C.
December 07, 2010  FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691

? filed under: Press Release

The Internet Crime Complaint Center has received many complaints from victims of payday loan telephone collection scams. Callers claim the victim is delinquent in a payday loan and must repay the loan to avoid legal consequences. The callers purport to be representatives of the FBI, Federal Legislative Department, various law firms, or other legitimate-sounding agencies. They claim to be collecting debts for companies such as United Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Net, and other Internet check-cashing services.

According to complaints received from the public, the callers have accurate data about victims, including Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, employer information, bank account numbers, and the names and telephone numbers of relatives and friends. How the fraudsters obtained the personal information varies, but in some cases victims have reported they completed online applications for other loans or credit cards before the calls started.

The fraudsters relentlessly call the victim?s home, cell phone, and place of employment. They refuse to provide any details about the alleged payday loans and become abusive when questioned. The callers have threatened victims with legal actions, arrests, and, in some cases, physical violence if they do not pay. In many cases, the callers harass victims? relatives, friends, and employers.

Some fraudsters have instructed victims to fax a statement agreeing to pay a certain amount, on a specific date, via a pre-paid Visa card. The statement further declares the victim will never dispute the debt.

If you receive these calls, do not follow the caller?s instructions. Rather, you should:

Notify your banking institutions.
Contact the three major credit bureaus and request an alert be put on your file.
Contact your local law enforcement agencies if you feel you are in immediate danger.
File a complaint at www.IC3.gov.
Tips to avoid becoming a victim of this scam:

Never give your Social Security number?or personal information of any kind?over the telephone or online unless you initiate the contact.
Be suspicious of any e-mail with urgent requests for personal financial information. The e-mail may include upsetting or exciting but false statements to get you to react immediately.
Avoid filling out forms in e-mail messages that request personal information.
Ensure that your browser is up-to-date and security patches have been applied.
Check your bank, credit, and debit card statements regularly to make sure that there are no unauthorized transactions. If anything looks suspicious, contact your bank and all card issuers.
When you contact companies, use numbers provided on the back of cards or statements

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/paydayloanscam_120710

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-951-489-0227

Called today threatening me about a criminal case charges against me..Hung up on them and blocked their number..Always happens after a scammer I know wants me to send money to him and I avoid him.. I think they are connected..They have gave me 4 different times I was suppose to have borrowed from a payday loan  place,, Have not borrowed any money.. But they always come up with different dates.. Jan. April..May.. & Sept. 2011.. said I commited fraud by not paying back.. They were pressing charges..and going to have me picked up by my Sheriff's office.. They even call my place of employment.. Foreign speaking men..

Same as usual - these people are relentless - numeros calls from numerous numbers all wih the same objective to get you scared into paying for something you don't owe.  This has been going on for months now.  I have reported every number etc to the PA atty gen office and gone online to consumer watchdog sites and done the same.

Oh, also, I hung up on them at one point and they immediately called back and asked why I hung up on them.  I noticed that a different person than who I was speaking to the first time was on the phone, but oddly he had the same first and last name, Mike Watson.  As soon as he brought up what he called an "OCS" or and Out of Court Settlement, the amount I was in for, 8500, magically turned into the original amout that I supposedly borrowed, 781 dollars.  Now he wanted me to set up a payment program to pay them at 100 dollars a day for 8 days, and told me that he had a recording of me saying that I aggreed to pay him that.  Once I called out all his lies, he gave up and told me he was going to end the call.

this is some bull there is no way i could owe any one anything seeing i was in hospital  for over a year  this has to stop  people  dont need these  kind  calling them when you are recovering from a illness

this is a scam do not fall for it

They just called me twice and two different people identifed themselves as Mike Watson.  They told me that I borrowed 781 dollars from a place called Payday America, and that now I was on the hook for paying 8500 dollars.  They told me that tomorrow, the supeona was going to be sent to the courthouse for my arrest.  I asked them for a copy of all the documents that they had against me and they said that if they sent that to me they would lose thier job, but if i were to pay 100 dollars today, that I would be able to get all the documents sent to me.  I listened to them politely and told them that in order for me to take any of this seriously, I would need to see everything that they had in writing.  Thats when he said that he was going to end the call because he had more people to call that would work with him, and I was wasting his time.

They harrass me all the time so much that I had to change my cell #.  Now they call my job.  They even have my SS #  They need to go back from wherever they came from......

this f****rs  are calling me wishing me good  luck in the case is caming  over me and they said they want me to present with my attorney i dont know how this peoples get the imformation and adress  and number it is so bad probably one of the company giv it to them if they call you  just go to the police is near to you and make a repor

i knoe alot bout these people. awhile bck i applied for a credit score check im rly young nd dumb and added my credit card number and work phone number which was rly dumb. well they started calling they made me cry because i believed them... then i investigated. they are all indians! fake infact. i had my bf pose as my father offering to pay the fine and they want us to do a western union check and they dont give a name or were to send it. i got a lwayer then they stop until today. they called again bout wanting to sue me i thaught i was alone til i found this. dont waste your time my police area cant do anything until they actually steal money from me. if i were u i would get identy hawk or something that will protect my information. beware of them people. they r evil indians out to harrass you.

i started getting calls from these people today as well, paul martin is the supposed name of the individual calling even though I caould barely understand what he was saying.  Again, claiming I owe money for something I do not owe, they must have bought the name and numbers from somewhere and are now trying to threaten people to get someone to give them money.  

How do we stop these people?

i am being in the same situation, they said i was going to be sued and i owed money that i didn't borrow they are also calling me at work and on my cell leaving me a voice mail and the call is comeing from california. who the heck is this?

www.ic3.gov

This is an offshore payday loan debt collection extortion scam that has been going on for at least five years. The FBI is aware of it but is unable to go after those involved due to lack of money and manpower. I looked back and found some old information which may prove to be helpful:

They obtained your information through Teletrack:

Kudos to "Sam" for giving the most intelligent and informative posts on this scam. READ, Bookmark and use as needed:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-631-456-4041/2

I have been receiving phone calls from this group since late April / early May of 2010.  There is a good chance that they also attempted to contact me roughly two years ago before I entered into Chapter 7 Bankruptcy protection, as I faintly remember hearing the same script more or less.

As others have stated, the callers are difficult to understand.  Generally speaking their command of the English language is quite poor and their accents are hard to follow. At times they will get certain words or phrases mixed up.  It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they had:

a) Your SSN
b) Your home address
c) Your work address
d) Your banking info
e) Names, numbers and potentially the addresses of "references"
f) A complete and total lack of ethics and a basic understanding of the FDCPA.  

I have personally filed reports with the following agencies, often with limited (if any) success:

Local Police
my state's Attorney General's office
FTC
FBI
Secret Service

Generally the local police won't be able to help much.  The callers are using a combination of prepaid cell phones and VoIP, making them difficult to trace.  Also at their disposal are various spoofing tactics being implemented to catch people off guard - meaning the number that appears on your Caller ID isn't the number that is calling you for starters.  Without gaining a subpoena for the billing information for the numbers in question, the local police won't be able to get very far.  

My state's Attorney General's office couldn't offer much assistance either.  I received a form letter in the mail that my complaint was received and I would be contacted if they needed additional info.  It was more or less the same information I obtained from the FTC.  They each advised me not to give the individuals over the phone any account information or to authorize payment.  That's just common sense, though.

I never got anything from the FBI, either.  There is a good chance that since I haven't suffered a monetary loss that my concerns are low on the totem pole.  I hate to say this, but that is truly the case. Unless you were in the hole for a $1,000 (or more) you aren't going to get much more than "sorry to hear about your situation, change your phone number and move on".  I seemed to get some activity from the Secret Service.  I spoke with agent Doug Zloto. (Google him, referencing threads like these plus his name and you'll find his number also)  He seemed to care a bit more than the average person, but after giving him access to my Google Voice account, there has been no further activity from him that I'm aware of.

In the meantime I changed the wireless number the fraudsters had access to, they have no direct way to get a hold of me.  (Calls at work have ceased for some reason)  That in turn resulted in my "references" getting phone calls from the crooks.  Here is a word of caution for women that have been getting these calls - don't say anything and just hang up.  The callers are quite abusive towards women callers.  Why?  Possibly the culture.  If they are Indian / Pakistani, women are second class citizens there.  You will be treated like garbage.  This happened to a family member when she was trying her best to be extremely nice over the phone.  

The callers currently attempt to reach me through the female family member and an unused Google Voice number that they managed to find of mine.  I keep the Google Voice number open because, well, I can't delete it yet.  So, about every day, 4-5 times a day for the last week, I get voice messages from them.  It's usually just two full messages though - the other calls are broken up with static or they are attempts to read the script until the callers then screw up.  Really, they are that adamant on getting the script 100% that they will hang up mid-sentence and call back 30 seconds later.  

At this point it's a stalemate with these people.  

1) While they have the lion's share of information on us, they can't really do anything with this information.  

Why?  Think about it.

If they were to ever take funds out of your account without authorization, it's fraud and worse (for them) it is traceable.  That's why they won't do anything with your information, contrary to threats they make.  The money from your account has to go somewhere, and either your bank or a law enforcement agency can determine where the money was routed.  As a bank customer you are protected - you'd get the stolen money back in your account after 7-10 business days and the bank would be temporarily out the funds deducted from your account while they conducted their investigation.  The bank, along with law enforcement, would track down the fraudsters and apprehend them.  The fraudsters do not want to incur the wrath of a bank, just extort money out of you.  Remember that.    

Your authorization would absolve the bank from any and all liability, leaving you holding the bag.  Never give them authorization for anything - for all you know the call is recorded.  

2) We have no information on them.

Seriously, this has been going on at least since 2008, possibly longer than that based on some accounts. (6 years??? Holy crap!)  You would think someone would have slipped up by now.  Sadly, they haven't.  We can continue to grow our own intel on them and compile lists of aliases and phone numbers used, along with paraphrases of scripts used in order to educate other victims.  I'm actually putting together a site now in the meantime where I'll host audio files and lists of previous numbers used.  800notes.com is great, but no two calls are exactly the same.  It would be nice to have a site dedicated to the scam and how it works.

So that's where I am with these calls.  I have suffered no monetary loss, though I have been harassed both at home and at work.  They threaten me with arrest and other "fun" things in order to get me convinced I have to pay them.  My friends and family have been targeted and local and federal law enforcement agencies haven't been able to put a stop to things.  So, it is what it is.  I am out a wireless phone number I had for roughly six years, which is terrible since I was using that line when looking for a new job.  

Whenever I'm bored I spoof my number using Google Voice and return the calls.  I've called them the poster children for birth control, etc.  Basically a lot of nasty things that I'm sure the moderators here wouldn't appreciate me repeating - bottom line nothing nice.  I always like to close saying their parents must be real proud knowing their sons weren't man enough to get real jobs.  That usually gets a decent response.  

Way I see it - they can't do anything to me. (Despite a threat yesterday that my life would be f'ed up)  They can threaten all they want but my credit is frozen and my bank information has changed.  I've changed the only number they could really access me directly on and I've instructed my employer and family to not answer the calls.  I just call and harass them now when I find a few extra seconds.  What's the worst they can do to me?  Charge me with harassment?  

Nope, then they would have to identify themselves.

Oh, and don't bother contacting Cashnet USA about the calls.  Their "fraud" department could honestly care less.  Their "investigation" is merely a means of buerocratic CYA.  I would even be surprised at this point if actual law enforcement is involved in any shape, way or form at this time.  

There is a good chance that the information these crooks have on us was obtained from Cashnet USA - either from a database leak or from a collector that was once authorized by Cashnet to call on delinquent customers.  The other chance is they have access to Teletrack, and pulled all of our information off of there.

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-646-274-1143/3

For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan.  The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:

United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)

You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse.  In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt.  Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.  

Who are they?

In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:

David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida  33150
(Address is likely invalid)

The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates.  Here are some links on them:

http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf

They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations.  They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.  

The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:

Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone:  800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)

There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:

Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml

Kansas:  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html

Colorado:  
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig

Rhode Island:  
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html

West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm

Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.  

"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit.  The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.

Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives.  Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."

Bottom line:

Do not supply the callers with any additional information.  Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up.  If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond.  Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.  

If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.  
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:

* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you.  The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example.  Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.

* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site.  People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.  

* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.  


How to protect yourself:

* Inform your employer.  You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously.  Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work.  If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received.  Save voice mails left if at all possible.  

* Change your number(s).  For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.

Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted.  Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.

* Use Google Voice.  Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use.  Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.  

Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers.  Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script.  At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up.  They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number.  At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again.  (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)

The scammers change their numbers frequently.  Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online.  With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.  Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.

1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870

So can they really do anything to you?

It's not a simple yes or no answer.  Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.  

So, why haven't they?  

Authorization.  

Why do you think you are being called so much?  Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice?  No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period.  The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past.  Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.

Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough.  A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists.  The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe.  Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt.  See what they say.  A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that.  That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason.  If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution.  In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account.  Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.  

Bottom line:

If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't.  If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't.  Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector.  Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.

PS--The FBI sent out a Press Release on this scam just last week:

Extortion Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans

Washington, D.C.
December 07, 2010  FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691

? filed under: Press Release

The Internet Crime Complaint Center has received many complaints from victims of payday loan telephone collection scams. Callers claim the victim is delinquent in a payday loan and must repay the loan to avoid legal consequences. The callers purport to be representatives of the FBI, Federal Legislative Department, various law firms, or other legitimate-sounding agencies. They claim to be collecting debts for companies such as United Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Net, and other Internet check-cashing services.

According to complaints received from the public, the callers have accurate data about victims, including Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, employer information, bank account numbers, and the names and telephone numbers of relatives and friends. How the fraudsters obtained the personal information varies, but in some cases victims have reported they completed online applications for other loans or credit cards before the calls started.

The fraudsters relentlessly call the victim?s home, cell phone, and place of employment. They refuse to provide any details about the alleged payday loans and become abusive when questioned. The callers have threatened victims with legal actions, arrests, and, in some cases, physical violence if they do not pay. In many cases, the callers harass victims? relatives, friends, and employers.

Some fraudsters have instructed victims to fax a statement agreeing to pay a certain amount, on a specific date, via a pre-paid Visa card. The statement further declares the victim will never dispute the debt.

If you receive these calls, do not follow the caller?s instructions. Rather, you should:

Notify your banking institutions.
Contact the three major credit bureaus and request an alert be put on your file.
Contact your local law enforcement agencies if you feel you are in immediate danger.
File a complaint at www.IC3.gov.
Tips to avoid becoming a victim of this scam:

Never give your Social Security number?or personal information of any kind?over the telephone or online unless you initiate the contact.
Be suspicious of any e-mail with urgent requests for personal financial information. The e-mail may include upsetting or exciting but false statements to get you to react immediately.
Avoid filling out forms in e-mail messages that request personal information.
Ensure that your browser is up-to-date and security patches have been applied.
Check your bank, credit, and debit card statements regularly to make sure that there are no unauthorized transactions. If anything looks suspicious, contact your bank and all card issuers.
When you contact companies, use numbers provided on the back of cards or statements

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/paydayloanscam_120710

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-951-489-0227

Just received a call twice from this number. The man left two voicemails stating that I need to call them back immediately or legal action will be taken, and I would need to get an attorney. He also stated that I will get arrested and at the end of the voicemail, he said good luck. The guy never mentioned the reason why he was calling though which is suspicious. This is not the first time I received calls from this number leaving these ridiculous voicemails. Is there a way that this number can be reported? I am sick of these crazy voicemails that are threatening to me. I believe it is a scam as well.

They call my place of business and my cell phone numerous amount of times. They say the same stuff as what others are saying. I am thinking they are getting my information from when I applied for a pay day advancement online, which I decline when I found out what kind of mess they get people into. I cannot understand really anything this guy says except that he wants my money, yea right. I have told him plenty of times to summons me. Of course I have been waiting for that for about 2 months now. It's a total scam and anyone who is receiving the messages should try to ignore it. If they get too crazy report them. What ever you do don't sit and argue with them, it's pointless and all that is going to happen is they will argue back and end up hanging up on you, leaving you stressed. Total SCAM!

I keep getting these calls from 619-500-4379 telling me that I owe US Cash Advance money and if I do not pay it today that I will owe $8000.00 and will be arrested at my place of employment.  This is so ridiculous!! How can they get by with these calls???  This is not the first time this has happened to me.  As soon as I tell them that I am reporting them, they get angry and start threatening with being arrested.  I wish there was something someone could do.