There is absolutely nothing that an online casino overseas can do if you charge back your deposits with them. Having them come after you would be like a drug user suing his drug dealer over the quality of his drugs - an illegal product.  Some of the threatening letters I've seen here posted by users are laughable. Those nasty email are and will continue to be only that, emails. The best thing to do is ignore, disregard, or block them, although it is tempting to have some fun mocking them a little with a reply.

Got an email.

I bet the emails are just sent out by a machine.  could get 5 a day or 1 every 3 months.

They are scared I bet...  Come get me Woodsbury!!!

Anyone else get any emails? I haven't heard FTP
Them in a week maybe they got shut down?

I am sure this will help woodsbury's collection rate;

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/news/story?id=6362238

Enough said  :) They are a bunch of criminals!

Ok, I had to post just one more time. I told you the DOJ does not fool around with internet gambling payments and transactions. Does this make you nervous Woodsbury? It should.

Internet gambling sites PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker charged in massive fraud bust.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011 ... charged_in.html

D4G5 is another sucker or works for Woodsbury.

I don't think they can report to anyone. Why would the bank believe a gambling site from offshore over their customer? How could they prove that someone didn't just steal your information?

Actually, while they cannot sue us, then can report people to their banks for filing a false claim of fraud which is a felony so while they would not see any money from people who owe them, they could screw people royally and get them into much larger trouble than owing a debt by having this reported.

The banks don't care if it's for gambling.  They care if people filed false claims, affidavit's etc etc.

People who are caught doing this..whether for gambling or anything else could get into serious trouble.

It's a risk I'm not willing to take.

Most of the people here do owe the funds, but so what. They can't do anything to you if you live in the US and they can't touch your credit. If you want to pay because you feel bad that is up to you.

I saw that already but thank you.  Truthfully all that means is that they are hired to collect on charge backs and bounced checks for processors.  If the people the actually contact owe the money then there is nothing illegal or untoward about it.


Yes it's grey, but with the exception of a few people, I have to assume the people that are bing contacted owe the funds.  Speaking for myself, I do owe the money and not because I did anything on purpose but because when I received my statement I did not recognize the name under the transactions and cancelled them.  I guess I could have withheld paying them but my stance is if I made the deposit who am I to take money from someone and not pay.  That's just me.  Also, why would I want to take the risk of having my credit affected for $150??  It's not worth it to me.

You have to admit John that there are a lot of people out there who would withhold paying simply because they don't "feel like it".  I'm not trying to pass judgment, but that's just not how I operate.  I do appreciate the information though.

EVERYONE CHECKOUT LAST YEARS THREAD FOR "WOODSBURY" Scam

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-877-889-0621  

This same this happened last year...  I hope you didn't send money!

Nice letter you received.  I did not get that one I assume because I'm presently speaking with them to get to the bottom of their issue with me.  All I can say that while they seem to be rude little pricks, the language is correct and they could do what they say.  What ACTUALLY happens is up to them and up to whatever body they report to.

The credit reporting while no problem for anyone legally could pose a problem for you trying to borrow.

Good luck

Second and Final Notice Check Writer Fraud



This is our final written notice being sent in regards to your illegal actions against Intertops Casino.

This matter will either be repaid in full, or you will be reported to Chex Systems and your State's Bad Check Restitution Program.  Most people assume that because the debt originated off-shore that somehow illegal acts will go unpunished.

Before you make the same mistake as others, speak with an attorney because you have issued bad checks and regardless of what you may believe, this is against the US Code and illegal in all 50 States.  If you think there is no consequence then by all means do not reply.

Whatever your thoughts on this matter, your name, address, DOB, banking records, IP address, and proof of your bad deposits will be sent to the authorities and you can then explain to them your conduct as we will not chase you.

We are not a collection office.  We report banking offenses to both American and Canadian authorities and although you may think otherwise will do the same with your information.

Moreover, this matter will be turned over to a collection agency at the same time where under FDCPA regulations they will contact you once daily and update your credit report with this unpaid bad debt.  It seems as if this will be forced into action as opposed to you simply paying off what is owing.

We once again suggest you confer with your own attorney, but the actions as listed above will take place by end of business tomorrow.



Regards,



Legal Division

Woodsbury Services

www.woodsburyservices.com

1-800-985-7683

Your first paragraph claims my statements to be false and the seconds concurs with my statements??

You are also quite incorrect about non-US citizens being ignored if they wish to file a complaint.  2/3rd of complains investigated against businesses for example are from OUTSIDE the United States.

Any legal body...IRS, FBI, Local Police are required under law to report and investigate any complaint issued against one of their citizens.  Nothing may come of the investigation, but it does take place and your claims to the contrary do not speak to the truth.

Anyone anywhere so long as the claim can stand on it's face and can be supported with evidence is investigated.  This is a fact and a matter of law.  When you say that US authorities don't interact with outside parties is a complete falsehood.

Anyone have any idea what coutry this company is registered in or even of
It is a registered company. I find it hard to believe a e-payment company has in
House lawyers at it

There a number of errors in D4G5's post, both legal and factual. I don't have the time to address them all but here is a high level summary of what anyone located in the US would need to know.

If you make a deposit and later reverse it your only legal exposure comes from if you lied on the form your bank asked you to fill out. There are many people had the charges reversed without having to lie.  Not all banks requrie paperwork or even as reason beyond "I want to dispute this charge".  And even if you did lie on the form, the chances of anyone investigating and proving it are nearly zero.  You can claim any number of valid defenses. You are not required to pay an illegal gambling debt. Do you think bookies go to court to collect what they are owed? You may owe the casino money, but they have no legal means to collect from you.

Woodsbury or the casino does not have the ability to file anything with your bank or credit card company. They could try to place something negative on your credit file, but is highly unlikely they would be able to. No US based institution or credit agency would have anything to do with any entity linked to online gambling. Any communication or cooperation with regards to transactions or payments would be in violation of the UIEGA. And if Woodsbury tried to mask who they are working for, that would also be unlawful.

The same goes for filing a complaint with any US authorities. They are not going to interact with anything that has to do with internet gambling with regards to a citizen.

The bottom line I have not once seen anyone in the US get into any sort of legal trouble for not paying an online gambling debt. Thousand of people have charged back millions of dollars and nothing has been done to them.

This was fun at first but is now becoming tedious so I won't be responding again.  My suggestion to ignore the emails and calls is still the best course of action. If you are worried about it, I would visit https://www.domainsbyproxy.com/ and file a complaint on http://woodsburyservices.com.

However they are
Not a
Law firm just a guy sitting in his basement send himails on debt he has bought for pennies

Online gambling is legal in Canada so they are allowed to sue.

What about if you are in canada

Actually Joey.  I too received the same email and I am also a prosecutor in FLA.  No I will not say at which County  I am following this matter closely because the threats they gave me in writing are serious and obviously in my line of work there can be no public record damage for me.  I am currently looking to see if I owe the funds and if so why they are owed.

Here is what you need to know:

1) If you used either a bank account or credit card to fund an offshore casino account while in essence you have broken the law, no citizen has been and will ever be punished for online gambling.  The law simply states that no bank or credit card company can process off shore gambling products.  The Federal law passed by Congress in '06 is ambiguous at best.  It does not state that a private individual cannot gamble on line.  So in essence if your bank or credit card processed these transactions, the fault and legal issues lie with them.

2) If you did make any deposits and whether by error or overt actions reverse the charges, even though it is for gambling, you are required to repay the charges because it is illegal to claim fraud in any State under the US code.  It's a bit strange, but even though it may be offshore and for gambling, if people play and know what they are charging they are required to pay.  One illegal act cannot justify another.

That being said, many people charge back casino deposits that they actually owe and nothing happens to them.  The only problem that would arise is if this was reported to your bank or credit card company.  If the casino or Woodsbury did this then while they have no jurisdiction to sue you, anyone globally can report offenses as they wish so in turn if you or anyone was investigated for filing a false fraud claim and it showed that in fact you did spend the money and then claimed other wise, your issue would be with your bank and whether they wanted to report what you did.

The danger you face is not from Woodsbury suing you, but from official parties being aware that a false claim of fraud or affidavit was signed under false pretense.

My suggestion is to do as I am doing and simply verify that this debt is owed by going through your records and then decide what you want to do.  Again, the danger you face is not from Woodsbury filing suit as they cannot so do not worry about that  It's from them or their client reporting someone who in turn would be investigated.  I'll tell you from experience that half the complaints we receive are dropped so It's a gamble you will need to take if you actually owe the money and don't want to pay it.

If you don't owe it, then DO NOT pay it.  The only way you would get in any trouble is if you did owe and claimed otherwise....I hope this is helpful.

My last piece of advise is to avoid asking question on message boards like this as people here are writing false information.  They mean well I assume, but some info is quite incorrect.  You should speak with an attorney or go online to research the laws within your own State in regards to falsifying fraud claims and online gambling.  You should take what you read here or anywhere online with a grain of salt and do your own research.

Good luck

If you live in the US do nothing.. They have no jurisdiction or leg to stand on concerning gambling transactions. If you were to send them money you would be commiting a crime if this was in relation to gambling transactions anyways.

I just got this email today.  What should I do?

Notice of Intent-Falsification claim





Good Afternoon,

You are being contacted in reference to your account with Intertops where several years ago you deposited money on line and preceded to spend money you received at their site.

After you received and then spent the funds, you then contacted your credit/debit card issuer and advised them to in fact return the deposits and take the funds back.  You had advised your credit/debit card issuer that these were ?unauthorized? and/or ?fraudulent? transactions.

At first our client had thought that you had been unaware of the descriptor that appeared on your bill and thus returned these transactions but years later and several attempts to reconcile later they are at a loss to understand how this continues to remain unpaid.

At this time our office of Woodsbury Services is being asked to report this matter to your State banking authorities as an act of bank fraud due to the fact that you signed an affidavit with your bank advising to return these credit card purchases.  We feel it important to advise you that although this debt was for gaming, it is highly illegal to return or ?charge back? credit card deposits when in fact they were done by you.

Our client in an effort to substantiate their complaint have sufficient forensic evidence clearly establishing your household as the location from where the deposits were issued from.  This includes and IP trace and forensic trigger that can unequivocally prove the origin of these transactions.

There is the possibility that someone in your home acquired this information and then decided to commit fraud by making these deposits.  While we can prove where this was done from, we cannot prove who did it.  Based on this possibility, if you advise us that it was never you personally who made these deposits, we will gladly remove your name from this claim and any subsequent report that is to be issued.  What will happen however is that based upon you confirming that it was someone else within your home, our client will be forced to file a formal criminal complaint so that the authorities can then determine who at the time of these transactions was the perpetrator and in turn will look to have this/these individual(s) charged.  I must stress that we can prove without any possibility of error from where the deposits occurred.  The issue is who it was.   So again, if it was not you personally please advise our office but also understand that we will on behalf of our client be forced to proceed  against the person(s) responsible.

I would suggest you contact your bank to determine the possible penalties for being found guilty for claiming fraud where none was evident.

Please advise us how this matter should be dealt with as we are planning to file our complaints by the end of next week.

Regards,

Patrick Marandender

Legal Division

Woodsbury Services

1-800-985-7683

Your command of English seems to be lapsing. I don't recall calling you a liar, but you are very quick to bring that up.

I do know that what this "company" is attempting to do with regards to US Citizens and anyone domiciled in the US is not legal.

I also have yet to see any evidence of any civil suits being filed in Canada regarding this.

Again with teh sarcasm?

I was served by baliff at my door at 7 a.m. I was given notice of a court date.  I am no attorney but I did call the Court house and confirmed at the time.

I don't like someone calling me a liar especially since you have no clue what you are talking about.  Believe what you want to believe.  It seems you will assume everyone is a liar because it does not go with your view.
Maybe your the liar Fed Banker.  Maybe like me you gambled online and did not pay.  Unlike me you like to insult people and act like your ^&*& does not smell.  If you have anger at them...direct it at them and not me

Omg this is too funny keep the updates coming... This place is a joke. Come and get me in the US you idiots. I guess on Friday all my accounts in the US are going to be closed. Let the countdown begin. :)

Canada, for right now.