This guy prob works for them. As soon as you do pay the just sell your debt before they apply the payment anyway. Good luck getting a release from them!

They are idiots...filed chapter 7 s reamed the bi*** about calling me....Its against the Law to Harrass us period....and for the dumb a** that says pay your bills....u need to shut your fricking mouth dick wad.....there are circumstances that people can't. Help!   Life isn't  a bowl of cherries.......I wish u nothing but bad times n evil to u...rot in hell!

They are a debt collection agency with a bad reputation for harrassing people and threatening to do things that are not legal.

any update on WHO they really are?

Called saying that they are going to sue me.  Trying to find out exactly who they are.

Does anyone have a physical address for WFS?    ....  I need their address...... can anyone help me? They are threatening me & my family... saying they are going to send us to jail, etc.

Fax: 951-547-7538
Phone: 888-437-9667
Phone: 951-547-7515
Phone: 951-547-7501

Ashely Roberts
Paul Casey
Blake Riley, Director of operations / Owner
Kim Jones

...any update on who they really are?

These crazy people found out where I work at and ask about me they used the same tactics to scare me but who want to be served on their job with papers thats imberassing but any how I started paying them and come to find out they are on my chpt 7. They have changed their names to collect a debt. As of now im calling my lawyers about this because its been discharged and hopefully I can turn around and sue them for my money back and herrassement.

I read a bunch of your posts on here and the only thing I see is a bunch of DEAD BEATS that don't pay their bills. If you got money for an attorney then why didn't you pay your bills in the first place. Bottom line PAY YOUR BILLS and you won't get calls. Do you think they are calling you for fun? You said your husband knew of the card. Gee I guess he just forgot to pay the bill. People like you are the reason we have more people like you. I hope you don't have any children that DON"T PAY THEIR BILLS. Oh and I like how it's your husbands fault and not yours.

I do not why I am getting a call concerning a case number 21179. Because of my annerisism in 2000, A letter should be there somewhere that says I am not allowed to go to jury duty or any court case. I do have a copy but have to find.

Whoever is calling is saying I never answer or isn't home. Most of the time I am home. I am 65 years old and already know that I do not have to go to any jury duty.

Ummm...."legit" third party collection agencies do NOT:

Refuse to provide debt validation,
Disclose the debt to third parties,
Refuse to provide a mailing address,
Make threats of legal action which are illegal and cannot be taken,
Claim to be "attorneys",
Fail to cite the Mini-Miranda, informing the debtor that the call is from a debt collector and any information received will be used for that purpose, and:
Threatening to "ruin" someone's credit if they don't pay up.

Western Financial has violated at LEAST four statutes of the FDCPA and FCRA,  which has NOTHING to do with "paying our bills"---but has EVERYTHING to do with consumer rights.

these people are legit! just pay your bills and debt collectors will leave you alone.

"Lucy Webb" called saying she was with Process Verification Services. She wanted my husband to call immediately and she wanted information about our house.

I want the address of this place. We have no idea why they're calling, but if they're trying to collect an old debt I want to know which one. We have nothing unpaid and I want to send a debt validation letter. Chances are, like 90% of these scummy places, they can't provide it because it's a scam.

Even if it were legitimate, she should know that in our state a lien can't be placed on property for a private debt.

OK SO I'M A HOME WITH MY SONS ON A DAY OFF,MY WIFE CALLS MY CELL PHONE IN A PANIC. SHE IS SO FREAKED OUT,AND TELLS ME HER SISTER JUST CALLED HER AT WORK TELLING HER THAT SOME IDIOT NAMED JIM LEFT A MESSAGE THREATENING TO PUT A LIEN ON THEIR HOUSE,THEIR HOUSE! NOT MINE! IF THEY DO NOT GET A HOLD OF ME. WTF! I GOT SO LIT UP I INTERRUPTED MY WIFE AND TOLD HER TO GIVE ME THE NUMBER TO CALL THEM. SHE GAVE IT TO ME,I CALLED ASKING FOR JIM,THEY PATCHED ME THROUGH TO BLAKE RYLEY,I SAID "NO" I WANT JIM. THEY SAID HE WAS BUSY.I HUNG UP. I CALLED BACK ASKED FOR JIM AGAIN,THEY PATCHED ME THROUGH TO SOME A** NAMED PAT,THEY CONTINUED TO SWITCH PEOPLE TO TALK TO ME.NEVER GETTING THE ONE A***OLE I WANTED TO TALK TO. I OWED $200 AND HAD THE PAPERWORK FOR THIS DEBT,THEY STUTTERED AND CONTINUED TO SAY I OWED $3800. I AM NOT PAYING CRAP TO THESE CHUMPS! DON'T EVER GIVE OUT ANY INFO TO SOME A** WIPES THREATENING YOU. I WILL GLADLY GO TO COURT AND FIGHT AGAINST THESE SCUM!

This company has been calling my mom's house EVERYDAY looking for my EX-HUSBAND!!!!  Then finally they asked for me or my phone number.  My mom refuesed to provide the information.  I called them back asking why they were looking for me, and they stated that they were looking for him to serve him with papers! (since when is anyone warned that they are going to be served with papers??) They basically told me that I was a liar and that I DO in fact know where to reach him and that I DO know his phone number.  I proceeded to inform them that I am not anyones messenger and I am not 411.  The nasty witch on the phone said that I was obstructing a legal matter!!!  (BTW...did I mention that we have been divorced for OVER TEN YEARS?????) Incredible how debt collectors can get away with abuse.  I reported them to the Attorney General. Hopefully they will stop calling my mom's house!!!!

It is a scam. They refuse to tell you their business license number or location. They call relatives and friends and violate every known statute regarding collections. Do not give them any information. Do not respond to their threats. Hang up on them.

i have received numerous calls from this number stating they have a serious legal matter that I need to attend to. I called them back and they said they were in the process of serving me.  I know they are a collection agency and I got into an argument with the person who answered.  They have left numerous voicemails with numerous people at my office.  What legal recourse do I have to have them stop calling?

I got a call from WFS at home advising me of my past due balance owed on a HSBC account that I had opened up in 2007. I did end up having to pay for this due to pending legal action that had been filed. I would rather pay for something that I know I owe then have it become a judgment on my credit. I too am a debt collector and I know how it is calling people who find all sorts of reasons why they shouldn't pay their bill when they agreed to pay the money back. I did pay for my balance but the collector gave me a good settlement on it plus I needed to start repairing my credit any way so that I could purchase a home. The bottom line is if you don't want collectors calling you then pay your bills on time. I don't agree with some of the tactics but the bottom line is that if you borrowed money then pay it back.

Got a call at my work, they forwarded the message to me.  Called, they tried to get my ssn out of me.  Told me I owed 3700, and I asked who original creditor was.  They told me some bank, from October 2004.  I asked for paperwork to document such an item, a Jim Patrick told me they didn't have to do that, that the bank knwos all about me, that I take out many loans and never pay it back - he cited 2, both were medical bills on my credit report.  He then said I was going to be served with a process server within 24-48 hours, I said fine, what county please.  He told me he didn't have to give me that information, I pointed out that he was in violation of the fair debt trade act thing.  He claimed they didn't have to follow it at all, because I would be served, so it was past it.  He then hung up.

track them down & call they friends and family....hahaha

sue them!

this is an illegal scare tactic - they want you to panic and pay them without question.
Debt collectors are REQUIRED by law to MAIL you information about the debt and allow you to dispute it as well as provide Dispute instructions.

ITS ILLEGAL to claim they are suing you when they legally cannot or have no intention of doing so.

When they use illegal tactics it means they CANNOT prove the debt ever existed in the first place and do not want you to dispute it.

At this point you need to DOCUMENT THEIR FDCPA VIOLATIONS as much as possible.  
If they continue to call - you will want to record their conversations - check your state laws about whether you have to tell them or not.   YOU CAN RECORD - its a matter of disclosure/consent  requirements.  (links to recording laws below)


1.  Call your local court house and see if there are any cases filed against you - process servers DO NOT CALL and warn you that they are coming.  But its best to confirm with the local courts that no lawsuit has been filed.  

2, Debt collectors must also follow your STATES licensing requirements - most bottomfeeders ARE NOT LICENSED.  They cannot file lawsuits if they do not have a license to conduct business in your state not even using a local attorney (rent a lawyer)





1) Never assume they have a VALID DEBT OR LEGAL RIGHT TO COLLECT
 
2) Debt collectors MUST FOLLOW your STATE laws regarding licensing.  Check your Secretary of State for licensing requirements for ANY collection agency that contacts you

Debt Collectors DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION!    
The INFORMED CONSUMER IS THE DEBT COLLECTORS WORST ENEMY!

THE CORRECT WAY TO HANDLE COLLECTION CALLS AND ILLEGAL TACTICS

READ DEALING WITH DEBT COLLECTORS, RECORDING CALLS AND STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS BY STATE

You can also post your questions here http://www.collectorsexposed.com/forum/   NEW URL!    

These links are to attorneys for those being scammed www.naca.net or http://www.consumerjustice.com/consumer/searchattorneys.aspx


Dealing with Debt Collectors
Http://www.budhibbs.com/First.htm    
    
Statute of Limitations by State ? always double check YOUR OWN STATE Government Website
http://www.budhibbs.com/statute_of_limitations.htm

Recording calls from Debt Collectors - always double check YOUR OWN STATE Government Website
http://www.budhibbs.com/record.htm


From Federal Trade Commission Website ? FAIR DEBT COLLECTION PRACTICES ACT
Debt Collection FAQs: A Guide for Consumers
If you?re behind in paying your bills, or a creditor?s records mistakenly make it appear that you are, a debt collector may be contacting you.
The Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the nation?s consumer protection agency, enforces the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA), which prohibits debt collectors from using abusive, unfair, or deceptive practices to collect from you.
Under the FDCPA, a debt collector is someone who regularly collects debts owed to others. This includes collection agencies, lawyers who collect debts on a regular basis, and companies that buy delinquent debts and then try to collect them.
Here are some questions and answers about your rights under the Act.

What types of debts are covered?
The Act covers personal, family, and household debts, including money you owe on a personal credit card account, an auto loan, a medical bill, and your mortgage. The FDCPA doesn?t cover debts you incurred to run a business.

Can a debt collector contact me any time or any place?
No. A debt collector may not contact you at inconvenient times or places, such as before 8 in the morning or after 9 at night, unless you agree to it. And collectors may not contact you at work if they?re told (orally or in writing) that you?re not allowed to get calls there.

How can I stop a debt collector from contacting me?
If a collector contacts you about a debt, you may want to talk to them at least once to see if you can resolve the matter ? even if you don?t think you owe the debt, can?t repay it immediately, or think that the collector is contacting you by mistake. If you decide after contacting the debt collector that you don?t want the collector to contact you again, tell the collector ? in writing ? to stop contacting you. Here?s how to do that:
Make a copy of your letter. Send the original by certified mail, and pay for a ?return receipt? so you?ll be able to document what the collector received. Once the collector receives your letter, they may not contact you again, with two exceptions: a collector can contact you to tell you there will be no further contact or to let you know that they or the creditor intend to take a specific action, like filing a lawsuit. Sending such a letter to a debt collector you owe money to does not get rid of the debt, but it should stop the contact. The creditor or the debt collector still can sue you to collect the debt.

Can a debt collector contact anyone else about my debt?
If an attorney is representing you about the debt, the debt collector must contact the attorney, rather than you. If you don?t have an attorney, a collector may contact other people ? but only to find out your address, your home phone number, and where you work. Collectors usually are prohibited from contacting third parties more than once. Other than to obtain this location information about you, a debt collector generally is not permitted to discuss your debt with anyone other than you, your spouse, or your attorney.

What does the debt collector have to tell me about the debt?
Every collector must send you a written ?validation notice? telling you how much money you owe within five days after they first contact you. This notice also must include the name of the creditor to whom you owe the money, and how to proceed if you don?t think you owe the money.

Can a debt collector keep contacting me if I don?t think I owe any money?
If you send the debt collector a letter stating that you don?t owe any or all of the money, or asking for verification of the debt, that collector must stop contacting you. You have to send that letter within 30 days after you receive the validation notice. But a collector can begin contacting you again if it sends you written verification of the debt, like a copy of a bill for the amount you owe.

What practices are off limits for debt collectors?
Harassment. Debt collectors may not harass, oppress, or abuse you or any third parties they contact. For example, they may not:
    use threats of violence or harm;
    publish a list of names of people who refuse to pay their debts (but they can give this information to the credit reporting companies);
    use obscene or profane language; or
    repeatedly use the phone to annoy someone.

False statements. Debt collectors may not lie when they are trying to collect a debt. For example, they may not:
    falsely claim that they are attorneys or government representatives;
    falsely claim that you have committed a crime;
    falsely represent that they operate or work for a credit reporting company;
    misrepresent the amount you owe;
    indicate that papers they send you are legal forms if they aren?t; or
    indicate that papers they send to you aren?t legal forms if they are.

Debt collectors also are prohibited from saying that:
    you will be arrested if you don?t pay your debt;
    they?ll seize, garnish, attach, or sell your property or wages unless they are permitted by law to take the action and intend to do so; or
    legal action will be taken against you, if doing so would be illegal or if they don?t intend to take the action.

Debt collectors may not:
    give false credit information about you to anyone, including a credit reporting company;
    send you anything that looks like an official document from a court or government agency if it isn?t; or
    use a false company name.

Unfair practices. Debt collectors may not engage in unfair practices when they try to collect a debt. For example, they may not:
    try to collect any interest, fee, or other charge on top of the amount you owe unless the contract that created your debt ? or your state law ? allows the charge;
    deposit a post-dated check early;
    take or threaten to take your property unless it can be done legally; or
    contact you by postcard.

Can I control which debts my payments apply to?
Yes. If a debt collector is trying to collect more than one debt from you, the collector must apply any payment you make to the debt you select. Equally important, a debt collector may not apply a payment to a debt you don?t think you owe.

Can a debt collector garnish my bank account or my wages?
If you don?t pay a debt, a creditor or its debt collector generally can sue you to collect. If they win, the court will enter a judgment against you. The judgment states the amount of money you owe, and allows the creditor or collector to get a garnishment order against you, directing a third party, like your bank, to turn over funds from your account to pay the debt.
Wage garnishment happens when your employer withholds part of your compensation to pay your debts. Your wages usually can be garnished only as the result of a court order. Don?t ignore a lawsuit summons. If you do, you lose the opportunity to fight a wage garnishment.

Can federal benefits be garnished?
Many federal benefits are exempt from garnishment, including:
    Social Security Benefits
    Supplemental Security Income (SSI) Benefits
    Veterans? Benefits
    Civil Service and Federal Retirement and Disability Benefits
    Service Members? Pay
    Military Annuities and Survivors? Benefits
    Student Assistance
    Railroad Retirement Benefits
    Merchant Seamen Wages
    Longshoremen?s and Harbor Workers? Death and Disability Benefits
    Foreign Service Retirement and Disability Benefits
    Compensation for Injury, Death, or Detention of Employees of U.S. Contractors Outside the U.S.
    Federal Emergency Management Agency Federal Disaster Assistance
But federal benefits may be garnished under certain circumstances, including to pay delinquent taxes, alimony, child support, or student loans.

Do I have any recourse if I think a debt collector has violated the law?
You have the right to sue a collector in a state or federal court within one year from the date the law was violated. If you win, the judge can require the collector to pay you for any damages you can prove you suffered because of the illegal collection practices, like lost wages and medical bills. The judge can require the debt collector to pay you up to $1,000, even if you can?t prove that you suffered actual damages. You also can be reimbursed for your attorney?s fees and court costs. A group of people also may sue a debt collector as part of a class action lawsuit and recover money for damages up to $500,000, or one percent of the collector?s net worth, whichever amount is lower. Even if a debt collector violates the FDCPA in trying to collect a debt, the debt does not go away if you owe it.

What should I do if a debt collector sues me?
If a debt collector files a lawsuit against you to collect a debt, respond to the lawsuit, either personally or through your lawyer, by the date specified in the court papers to preserve your rights.

Where do I report a debt collector for an alleged violation?
Report any problems you have with a debt collector to your state Attorney General?s office (www.naag.org) and the Federal Trade Commission (www.ftc.gov). Many states have their own debt collection laws that are different from the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Your Attorney General?s office can help you determine your rights under your state?s law.

For More Information
To learn more about debt collection and other credit-related issues, visit www.ftc.gov/credit and MyMoney.gov, the U.S. government?s portal to financial education.
The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file a complaint or to get free information on consumer issues, visit ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. The FTC enters consumer complaints into the Consumer Sentinel Network, a secure online database and investigative tool used by hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad
February 2009

File complaints with

Federal Trade Commission  https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

Your State Attorney General
State Attorney General is every state they have offices

Link to all State Attorney General Websites www.naag.org

If you or they are located in NY ? use this SPECIAL Link  www.NYDebtHelp.com
This special website was created by NY AG Andrew Cuomo specifically for reporting illegal debt collection practices.  HE?S CRACKING DOWN AND SHUTTING THEM DOWN!
    
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Time-Barred Debts
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt144.shtm

There?s no doubt about it: you are responsible for your debts. If you fall behind in paying your creditors ? or if you dispute the legitimacy of a debt ? a debt collector may contact you.

?Time-barred? debts are debts so old they are beyond the point at which a creditor or debt collector may sue you to collect. State law varies as to when a creditor or debt collector may no longer sue to collect: in most states, the statute of limitations period on debts is between 3 and 10 years; in some states, the period is longer. Check with your State Attorney General?s Office to determine when a debt is considered time-barred in your state. You can find contact information for your State Attorney General at www.naag.org.

Federal law imposes limitations on how debt collectors can collect debts, including time-barred debts. Under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA), a ?debt collector? generally is any person or organization that regularly collects debts owed to others. The term includes lawyers who collect debts for others on a regular basis, but it does not include creditors collecting their own debts.

The FDCPA prohibits debt collectors from engaging in any unfair, deceptive, or abusive practices while collecting debts. It does not erase any legitimate debt that you owe. To learn more about your rights under the FDCPA, click on www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/fdc.htm.
Collecting Time-Barred Debts

Most courts that have addressed the issue have ruled that the FDCPA does not prohibit debt collectors from trying to collect time-barred debts, as long as they do not sue or threaten to sue you for the debt. If a debt collector sues you to collect a time-barred debt, you can have the suit dismissed by letting the court or judge know the debt is, indeed, time-barred.

Whether a time-barred debt ? or any debt for that matter ? can appear on your credit report depends on how long the debt has been delinquent: debts that have been delinquent more than seven years cannot appear on your credit report, with certain exceptions. In addition, a debt collector may not try to collect a debt that has been discharged in bankruptcy, no matter when it was incurred. To learn more about credit reporting, click on www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/fcra.htm.
Contact with Collectors

Can a debt collector continue to contact you about a time-barred debt you don?t think you owe? According to the law, if you send the debt collector a letter stating that you do not owe some or all of the money within 30 days after you receive written notice of a debt, the collector must stop trying to collect until you?ve been given written verification of the debt, like a copy of the bill for the amount you supposedly owe. The collector can renew collection activities once you?ve gotten proof of the debt.

You can stop debt collectors from contacting you about any debt, regardless of whether you owe it, by writing a letter telling them to stop contacting you. Once the collector gets your letter, it may not contact you again ? except to say there will be no further contact or to let you know that the collector or creditor intends to take some specific action. Sending a letter doesn?t absolve you of the debt if you actually owe it; the debt collector or creditor still could sue you for the debt.
Future Collection Efforts

The best way to protect yourself from future collection on any disputed or partially settled debt is to get a form or letter from the creditor or collector that releases you from further obligation. To make sure the release is valid, you may want to consult an attorney. If you believe that a debt collector violated the law, you have the right to sue in a state or federal court within a year from the date the law was violated. If you win, you may recover money for the damages you suffered, plus an additional amount up to $1,000. You also may recover court costs and attorney?s fees. You also may want to report any problems you have with a debt collector to your State Attorney General and to the Federal Trade Commission.

The FTC works to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint or get free information on consumer issues, visit ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. Watch a new video, How to File a Complaint, at ftc.gov/video to learn more. The FTC enters consumer complaints into the Consumer Sentinel Network, a secure online database and investigative tool used by hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.
October 2004

I got a call from these folks at an old number at my job.This caller stated that she had legal documents to serve me at my job. And she gave the number listed above. Scared the crap out of me. What should I do? From all the things I have read above it sounds like a scam. I don't know of any debt that I owe. I am also going to call the Attorney General of my state and see if I can turn them in. Any information or advise you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Ok so, I got a call from my minister's wife, saying I had gotten a call from that number and that I was being sued! They called my minister's home!!?? NEVER in a million years would I have ever given my minister's name or number to anyone! I don't know how they got the number. I'm calling BBB tomorrow morning! These are very underhanded tactics! I do not have anything pending!

I also received a call from these idiots. The idiot in particular referred to herself as "Lucy Davis."  She said she was calling from West Financial Services and asked to leave a message for a person whom I knew.  She said the party could reach her back at (888) 437-9667 but my Caller ID showed she was calling from (951) 547-7511.  She's looking for my brother-in-law who is currently divorced and homeless and has most likely moved back to Pasadena, CA.  Lucy Davis was very condisending when I asked her to repeat the information about where she was calling from....Good luck getting any cooperation from the people she makes contact with; because she lacks personality, professionalism, and a spine.

I got a call from this number at 7:15pm tonight and it said unknown caller so I let it go to voicemail. They said I had an urgent legal matter that I needed to call 888-437-9667 and take care of this urgent matter today and the woman even said good luck! What the crap? I called it back and got a man's voice mail that said I had reached WFS to leave a message. I was given a case number in the voice mail but the call did not sound legitimate to me at all. I am calling the BBB first thing in the morning to report this. If it was an urgent legal matter then why did they call me at 7:15pm at night? Good luck to all of the others getting these crazy calls...It makes me so mad becuase I hate nothing more than dealing with stupid people.. they need to get a real job and work for a living instead of trying to scam others!!!!

It is Friday Jul 30th, and the man left a message saying that he wanted to talk to me about something that had to do  with him taking me to court on Monday.  I called the # back tonight and let it ring and ring, but nobody picked up, not even a voicemail or message telling to call back during normal business hours.

I have gotten similar calls from I assume a different company, they were doing the same thing. I told the guy to go ahead and take me to court, I had not gotten anything in the mail. He got real pissy real quick. I told him I had been almost scammed in the past by the same tactics, he'd have to send me something in writing. He said that was just a courtesy. Oh and when you call 1-888-437-9667, the ask for the last four of your social. DON"T DO IT!

THIS COMPANY IS A DAMN GIMMICK.  THEY ARE LIARS AND THEY ARE NOT ATTORNEYS.  THEY ARE COLLECTION AGENTS WHO ARE TRYING TO GET $. I HAVE NOTHING FOR THIS COMPANY.  IF THIS ISN'T THE ORGINAL CREDITOR, YOU WILL NOT GET A DAMN DIME, DO YOU HEAR ME". STOP CALLING AND HARRASSING ME ABOUT A DEBT THAT I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER LET ALONE RECALL.  THEY ARE CRAZY AS HELL AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU GET YOU NEW CLIENT TO CALL......KICK ROCKS.....

For the past month or so this # has been calling my home , old job,relatives phones and even called my girlfriends job oh and yeah they called my cell phone too, but anyway I keep missing the call but they are always leaving messages about a complaint filed against me and no matter how many times I call this number back a recording comes on saying the area I'm in can not be reached, I'm in Honolulu by the way and I know we ain't that far off the map so my gf googled the # and bam! I'm not alone thx for the heads up guys I can't wait till these fkn pricks call back I'm gonna make their ears bleed Samoan style lol thx again guys I was going crazy trying to figure out what was up.