People...I just can't get over how many are getting dooped.  There are 2 key pieces of advice here....#1 is that you never have to front money in order to get a loan...never!  And never send money to someone you have never met and who has solicited YOU.  If I want a loan...I will call the bank.

2 standard rules of common sense everyone should be using.  I'm sorry to hear about everyone's problems...just terrible!

I'm sorry this happened to you but everybody knows you don't have to GIVE money in order for someone to send you money you were approved for...especially that much money.  It just doesn't make sense.

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Hi ive been taken for 1400.00 dollar's by Thorncliff Financial Group some time in 2008 around November the contract looked lagitt thou i did report it to money gram as fraud i don't now what to do next ?? please if anyone now's anything please do tell !!!!!! the money was sent by money gram two seperate time's i even took out a title loan on my van and is still yet to be paid off sense 2008 last november 4 more payment's left. please help if at all possible.?! I need money like 700.00 of it so i my clam my van back as my own. If anyone can help please call (508)-558-6874 this is my cell phone number. signed a Victim of a Horrible Crime they should pay for this dearly.

I got an offer from Goldman Finance and Lending, same address but room 2025.
Rep name was Lou Everst.  What was your outcome?

hey I got another offer for a 5000.00 loan The companys aname is Allie finance group and is from Ne York Ny 10017     60 east 42nd st rm 2340     account rep. name is Bill Morris and the app. was sign by Roger Thorn # 188 314 1949 fax# 1 866 942 8607  This time I only had to put 600.00 for the deposit of the insurance. Of course I didn't but I told him I got scammed real bad and this sounde like the first one and he swore it wasn't his company. Call me and leave a message so I can call u bac  1 985 696 0310 thanks

Yes I also was scammed out of $800.00. I am still in a bind because of that. I will let anyone know if I find out anything which probably not but if we are lucky and find something out about these idiots I will let everyone know. My # is 9856960310 please leave a message because I have creditors I owe and I don't know what to tell them. I might even have to go bankrupt.

These guys are most likley are working between New York and Canada. The money I sent was picked up the same day in Brooklyn. Jason Finley, Frank Shapiro, Brian and David all sound like the same guy on the phone when they talk to you. Not to sterotype but they all have the New York/Italian accent. I doubt these guys are from Nigeria, although that scam is going around to but it involes them sending you a check to cash. And them you wire them money.

how did you call them today??  ive been trying for days and all i get is a  "goodbye"  and a click.........EXACT same story for all of us....we got scammed...plain and simple....we have all filed reports with everyone from here to the moon.....but at the end of the day, we got scammed....

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/317/RipOff0317742.htm check this site out and file your reports

Just found this report which sounds oftly familiar to our scam artist friends


CENTURY LENDING GROUP - SCOTT PAYDEN - ROBERT FINLEY
Phone:  800-963-5159
Fax:  

2021 S. LEWIS AVE #301
Tulsa, Oklahoma, 74104
U.S.A.
Submitted: 3/13/2008 6:20:27 PM
Modified: 3/13/2008 6:20:00 PM
Reported By
Jill beyer
SOMEWHERE, Michigan

Ripoff Report Verified Safe

THIS COMPANY LIKE ALL THE OTHERS IS A SCAM DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT SEND THEM ANY MONEY AT ALL. THEY WILL TELL YOU YOU NEED IT FOR COLLATERAL. THEN THEY CALL AND SAY THEY NEED MORE AND THEN THEY SAY THE LENDER HAS PULLED OUT. THE PHONE NUMBERS MAY BE IN THE STATES BUT THEY GO INTO ROUTING CENTERS FOR OUR PHONE COMPANIES
AND ARE SENT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. MOST HAVE BEEN CANADA. THEIR LOCATIONS DO NOT EXIST. THESE ARE NIGERIAN LOAN SCAMS LETS PUT AN END TO THEM!

NON AMERICANS IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SENT THEM MONEY THEY WILL NOT REFUND IT. LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR OTHER SCAMS HERITAGE LENDING
, CITY LENDING GROUP ON THIS ONE THERE IS A CONTACT NUMBER FOR A WOMAN TRYING TO GET THEM PLEASE CALL JILL HER NUMBER IS LISTED IN THE CITY LENDING GROUP SCAM. ALL OF US NEED TO BAN TOGETHER AND CATCH THESE %^**(^

Jill
SOMEWHERE, Michigan
U.S.A.

On or about the 18th of November I applied for a loan online. On November the 2oth 2008 I was contacted by Jason Finley form Thorncliffe Financial Group about a loan. I requested $3000 for the amount and Jason stated the only do loans for $5000 and above. Jason stated that I was qualified for a loan of $5000. He then proceeded to explain that part of the loan needed to be secure for the amount of $798.70 but this would cover the first 5 payments and beginning May of 2009 my payments would be $159.74. I explained that I would not have the money until the 1st of December 2008. He said that would be fine and faxed a contract to me. I read what looked to be a legit contract and signed faxed it back with a copy of my pay check stub, Driver's license and voided check. On December I called Jason at 7 am PST and stated I had the money. He then instructed me to go to Money Gram wire office at a local Wal Mart and call him so he could walk me through the wire process. He explained once they money was received from my side they would deposit $5000 into my checking account which is why they needed a voided blank check. I was instructed to wire the money to a lady named Janice T Viola in San Diego and she would be funding the loan as a third party. My money was supposed to come at midnight the 1st of December and be available on the morning of the 2nd. No money came. I called back Jason Finley and he said there was a problem with the loan and that a loan officer would call back in about five minutes. Someone going by the name Frank Shapiro called and said the loan required an additional five payments of $798.70 and it was a last minute condition by Janice T Viola to fund the loan. Frank Shapiro sounded just like Jason Finley on the phone. I sated that I had a contract for the original amount agreed upon and I wanted my money back. He said it would take 7-10 business days to arrive. I told him I needed that money back to pay bills since the loan fell through. He told me to call Jason and hung up on me. I called Jason back and complained that I need that money back and he said he would send it express in 3 days. No refund has arrived. I called today and asked to speak to a manger or supervisor and was told I could not talk to one and was told I had to speak to Jason who refuses to call me back. Jason phone# is 1-188-223-6208 ext 601. I f they guys are found I want a piece of them please e-mail me @ TWOIRISHSONS@yahoo.com. This was my kids X-mas money.

Their telephone number no longer works....and the internet website no longer works....THEY ARE GONE !!!!!!!  If anybody finds them, or a way to continue to contact them, please post on this message board

They are now gone......the website no longer works, and the phones do not get answered......the phones go straight to voicemail.....you wont get called back.....its over....probably never hear from Thorncliffe again...but im sure they will be back with another name, another website, and other ficticious names and addresses....oh well, live and learn i guess......

plz call me at 6464076714

call me at this number we need to talk about this company and do something about this.................

you can also call 1-888-495-8501

Everyone should file a fraud complaint with moneygram and tell them name you sent money to. Also call phonebusters or file a report on line a www.recol.ca

anybody that knows how to post that this is a scam should get it onto the google site where you can google there name...that way your post will show up telling all others what scam artists these people are...perhaps while too late for us, you'll be able to save somebody from making the mistake of trusting these degenerates

bu the way.....the website is now down, and the phone number is no longer transferring calls to the party, rather, it only takes messages....so the good news is that they are done...the bad news is that its too late for some of us.....

only wish i did my due diligence on these guys before i got taken.......for instance, called the address on the application, they dont exist at that addrss.....called the leasing agent at the property listed on there forms...they dont exist there.....called the phone company in canada that handles that number, reported the scam....and im sure that number will be out of operation soon.....

got me too....same story.....filed reports with better business bureau, canadian police,  pennslyvannia dept of banking, (as they claimed to be from pennslyvania)  phonebusters (which is a candian company that deals with all these frauds) and the FBI.   The guy who got me was Jason Finley...and the person sent to also in Milton Canada was Roxanne Dibalt

I called moneygram and filed a fraud report. This Daniel C. Haggard wont be able to get anymore money. They also gave me some places to go www.lookstogoodtobetru.com and www.aarp.org/money/wise_consumer and 1-877-987-3728 and 1-877-382-4352. Gal with moneygram also suggested filing a police report.

My wife Stacy & I got a call telling us we were approved for 5000.00 dollars and we just needed to send the first 5 payments. They faxed us a contract which looked legit. So we sent the  800.00 via Moneygram to Daniel C. Haggard in Milton Canada. When my 5000.00 was not deposited the next day I called back and Frank said I needed to send 800.00 more and they would send me deposit 7000.00 I told him no thank you this was my rent money and that I needed it back if I was not going to get the 5000.00. This was 11/21/2008. Every time we call they tell us  oh 7-10 business days then a David told us 15 business days since it was coming from Canada. Now their website is gone and I have yet to hear anything from the Better Business Bureau whom I filed a complaint with as soon as they started jerking me around. Anyone who might be filing a lawsuit please include me my e-mail is jabba6278@yahoo.com my cell is 419-617-8073

I was scamed for $2091.00 I was approved for a business loan of $20,000.00 and they wanted five first payments so I wired the money, after "Frank" asked for another $1500.00 for some insurance I relised it was a scam. I think it was someone working for Money Gram thats involved since they didn't know the name of the receiver that I have specified on the form. I think Money Gram should be responsible since they didn't check the ID.

I was scammed also.  I applied for a loan to secure my daughter's college education  Thorncliffe Financial approved the loan. Indicated they needed the first five payments up front, totalling approximately $800.  After I wired the $800, they were supposed to deposit the $5000 in my checking account.  Frank Shapiro of Thorncliffe Financial called me back and said they were requriing an additional $1000.  I refused.  They were supposed to refund the $800.  This has been since November 29, 2008.  I still have not received the funds back.  Not only don't have the funds for my daughter's college tuition bill, but minus my mortgage as well. I am going forward at all cost to obtain my funds. I am heartbroken.

well let me just say im so pissed! thornclif-finacial is a scam we just got scamed ou of 1200 dallers thru a money gram service that we sent thru money gram, im 100 percent shure they know somebody who works their we did not put their name and put a security question and still maneged to get by a random person that just so happen have that same name and licence number come on... and we borrowed that money and have absolutly no way to pay it back to a friend if any body takeing action against thes scam artists can contactme at any time daniel.membreno@yaho.com

So, How do you get your money back if you have already sent them the money and everything. They keep telling us that we should recieve the check in 7-10 business days, but yet we still have not recieved it. I didn't know anything about this company and was not the one to find the information or anything. I was just trying to help out a friend of mine and apparently was got screwed. You can never get a hold of anyone or anything and now we are left with a high payment on a credit card and no where to turn. Please help. Thank you. My e-mail address is luvmykidsDnK@aol.com . Put in the subject Thorncliffe Financial.

Thank you

Thorncliff Financial has a fake address in PA.

They are a fictitious company called Thornburg-Financial.
They have a fake address in Pennsylvania, yet are based out of Canada.
The authorities have already been notified.