206-629-9392
WA, US
 | SICK OF THE THEATS PISSED OFF. 2011-08-15 22:59:25 Unknown |
To all that reads this what in hell should we do about this it is very wrong what we all have
been thur I had another call today and 2 v-mails.
I dont like this B.S. not one bit.
we should come together and go to the media on there DONKEY BUTTS.
His first name was Dereck Foster His v-mail msg.said Dereck Williams What the problem.Caller: 206-629-9395
We should all go to Good Morning American.
And tell our story we don't do to them what they are doing to us lets come together the way we did on 9/11 REMEMBER THE LOST SO LETS ROLL PEOPLE I'M GAMED.
been thur I had another call today and 2 v-mails.
I dont like this B.S. not one bit.
we should come together and go to the media on there DONKEY BUTTS.
His first name was Dereck Foster His v-mail msg.said Dereck Williams What the problem.Caller: 206-629-9395
We should all go to Good Morning American.
And tell our story we don't do to them what they are doing to us lets come together the way we did on 9/11 REMEMBER THE LOST SO LETS ROLL PEOPLE I'M GAMED.
| SICK OF THE THEATS PISSED OFF. 2011-08-15 22:56:32 Unknown |
To all that reads this what in hell should we do about this it is very wrong what we all have
been thur I had another call today and 2 v-mails.
I dont like yhis B.S. not one bit.
we should come together and go to the media on there DONKEY BUTTS.
His first name was Dereck Foster His v-mail msg.said Dereck Williams What the problem.Caller: 206-629-9395
We should all go to Good Morning American.
And tell our story we don't do to them what they are doing to us lets come together the way we did on 9/11 REMEMBER THE LOST SO LETS ROLL PEOPLE I'M GAMED.
been thur I had another call today and 2 v-mails.
I dont like yhis B.S. not one bit.
we should come together and go to the media on there DONKEY BUTTS.
His first name was Dereck Foster His v-mail msg.said Dereck Williams What the problem.Caller: 206-629-9395
We should all go to Good Morning American.
And tell our story we don't do to them what they are doing to us lets come together the way we did on 9/11 REMEMBER THE LOST SO LETS ROLL PEOPLE I'M GAMED.
| Kafir 2011-08-15 20:19:15 Unknown |
Not every matter has to be racist, but for the record these folks are Indian and they are scammers. Arabs~Indians, very different. As others have said, pay no attention to them, avoid them and dont engage them, there is nothing that they can do. Nelson, you're one of them and you lack the devil's cunning.
| irate0629 2011-08-09 16:40:41 Unknown |
they called me today and i asked them questions they would not answer me they would not give me any details i had my legal representative call them and he gave them a piece of his mind and we will see what happens they told me i owe 300 and i told them i never recieved those funds and that i have proof! he just kept sayin i was gonna be in trouble and stuff im goin to close my account now and notify the credit bureus other than that i dont think there is much that can be done but i have learned a valuable lesson do put ur information on anything on the dang internet
| keith bradshasw 2011-08-08 21:19:31 Debt Collector |
Call the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and your State Police. When they call back, tell them that you are aware they are running an extortion ring, have notified the authorities and hang up.
Kudos to "Sam" for giving the most intelligent and informative posts on this scam. READ, Bookmark and use as needed:
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-631-456-4041/2
I have been receiving phone calls from this group since late April / early May of 2010. There is a good chance that they also attempted to contact me roughly two years ago before I entered into Chapter 7 Bankruptcy protection, as I faintly remember hearing the same script more or less.
As others have stated, the callers are difficult to understand. Generally speaking their command of the English language is quite poor and their accents are hard to follow. At times they will get certain words or phrases mixed up. It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they had:
a) Your SSN
b) Your home address
c) Your work address
d) Your banking info
e) Names, numbers and potentially the addresses of "references"
f) A complete and total lack of ethics and a basic understanding of the FDCPA.
I have personally filed reports with the following agencies, often with limited (if any) success:
Local Police
my state's Attorney General's office
FTC
FBI
Secret Service
Generally the local police won't be able to help much. The callers are using a combination of prepaid cell phones and VoIP, making them difficult to trace. Also at their disposal are various spoofing tactics being implemented to catch people off guard - meaning the number that appears on your Caller ID isn't the number that is calling you for starters. Without gaining a subpoena for the billing information for the numbers in question, the local police won't be able to get very far.
My state's Attorney General's office couldn't offer much assistance either. I received a form letter in the mail that my complaint was received and I would be contacted if they needed additional info. It was more or less the same information I obtained from the FTC. They each advised me not to give the individuals over the phone any account information or to authorize payment. That's just common sense, though.
I never got anything from the FBI, either. There is a good chance that since I haven't suffered a monetary loss that my concerns are low on the totem pole. I hate to say this, but that is truly the case. Unless you were in the hole for a $1,000 (or more) you aren't going to get much more than "sorry to hear about your situation, change your phone number and move on". I seemed to get some activity from the Secret Service. I spoke with agent Doug Zloto. (Google him, referencing threads like these plus his name and you'll find his number also) He seemed to care a bit more than the average person, but after giving him access to my Google Voice account, there has been no further activity from him that I'm aware of.
In the meantime I changed the wireless number the fraudsters had access to, they have no direct way to get a hold of me. (Calls at work have ceased for some reason) That in turn resulted in my "references" getting phone calls from the crooks. Here is a word of caution for women that have been getting these calls - don't say anything and just hang up. The callers are quite abusive towards women callers. Why? Possibly the culture. If they are Indian / Pakistani, women are second class citizens there. You will be treated like garbage. This happened to a family member when she was trying her best to be extremely nice over the phone.
The callers currently attempt to reach me through the female family member and an unused Google Voice number that they managed to find of mine. I keep the Google Voice number open because, well, I can't delete it yet. So, about every day, 4-5 times a day for the last week, I get voice messages from them. It's usually just two full messages though - the other calls are broken up with static or they are attempts to read the script until the callers then screw up. Really, they are that adamant on getting the script 100% that they will hang up mid-sentence and call back 30 seconds later.
At this point it's a stalemate with these people.
1) While they have the lion's share of information on us, they can't really do anything with this information.
Why? Think about it.
If they were to ever take funds out of your account without authorization, it's fraud and worse (for them) it is traceable. That's why they won't do anything with your information, contrary to threats they make. The money from your account has to go somewhere, and either your bank or a law enforcement agency can determine where the money was routed. As a bank customer you are protected - you'd get the stolen money back in your account after 7-10 business days and the bank would be temporarily out the funds deducted from your account while they conducted their investigation. The bank, along with law enforcement, would track down the fraudsters and apprehend them. The fraudsters do not want to incur the wrath of a bank, just extort money out of you. Remember that.
Your authorization would absolve the bank from any and all liability, leaving you holding the bag. Never give them authorization for anything - for all you know the call is recorded.
2) We have no information on them.
Seriously, this has been going on at least since 2008, possibly longer than that based on some accounts. (6 years??? Holy crap!) You would think someone would have slipped up by now. Sadly, they haven't. We can continue to grow our own intel on them and compile lists of aliases and phone numbers used, along with paraphrases of scripts used in order to educate other victims. I'm actually putting together a site now in the meantime where I'll host audio files and lists of previous numbers used. 800notes.com is great, but no two calls are exactly the same. It would be nice to have a site dedicated to the scam and how it works.
So that's where I am with these calls. I have suffered no monetary loss, though I have been harassed both at home and at work. They threaten me with arrest and other "fun" things in order to get me convinced I have to pay them. My friends and family have been targeted and local and federal law enforcement agencies haven't been able to put a stop to things. So, it is what it is. I am out a wireless phone number I had for roughly six years, which is terrible since I was using that line when looking for a new job.
Whenever I'm bored I spoof my number using Google Voice and return the calls. I've called them the poster children for birth control, etc. Basically a lot of nasty things that I'm sure the moderators here wouldn't appreciate me repeating - bottom line nothing nice. I always like to close saying their parents must be real proud knowing their sons weren't man enough to get real jobs. That usually gets a decent response.
Way I see it - they can't do anything to me. (Despite a threat yesterday that my life would be f'ed up) They can threaten all they want but my credit is frozen and my bank information has changed. I've changed the only number they could really access me directly on and I've instructed my employer and family to not answer the calls. I just call and harass them now when I find a few extra seconds. What's the worst they can do to me? Charge me with harassment?
Nope, then they would have to identify themselves.
Oh, and don't bother contacting Cashnet USA about the calls. Their "fraud" department could honestly care less. Their "investigation" is merely a means of buerocratic CYA. I would even be surprised at this point if actual law enforcement is involved in any shape, way or form at this time.
There is a good chance that the information these crooks have on us was obtained from Cashnet USA - either from a database leak or from a collector that was once authorized by Cashnet to call on delinquent customers. The other chance is they have access to Teletrack, and pulled all of our information off of there.
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-646-274-1143/3
For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan. The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:
United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)
You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse. In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt. Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.
Who are they?
In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:
David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida 33150
(Address is likely invalid)
The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates. Here are some links on them:
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf
They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations. They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.
The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:
Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone: 800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)
There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:
Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml
Kansas:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html
Colorado:
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig
Rhode Island:
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html
West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm
Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.
"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit. The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.
Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives. Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."
Bottom line:
Do not supply the callers with any additional information. Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up. If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond. Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.
If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:
* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you. The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example. Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.
* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site. People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.
* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.
How to protect yourself:
* Inform your employer. You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously. Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work. If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received. Save voice mails left if at all possible.
* Change your number(s). For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.
Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted. Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.
* Use Google Voice. Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use. Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.
Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers. Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script. At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up. They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number. At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again. (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)
The scammers change their numbers frequently. Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online. With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement. Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.
1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870
1-831-607-9214
1-972-674-3753
1-646-918-5211
1-206-202-4942
1-206-337-7992
1-206-339-8218
1-561-318-0446
1-585-250-8090
1-347-827-0921
1-607-398-0725
1-909-233-7338
1-888-610-5486
1-585-861-9940
1-909-233-7338
1-646-416-9016
1-805-262-6170
1-661-270-6724
1-561-705-0140
1-310-807-0220
1-347-637-6473
1-951-582-4832
1-909-503-0682
1-818-579-7691
1-347-321-6497
1-206-629-9392
So can they really do anything to you?
It's not a simple yes or no answer. Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.
So, why haven't they?
Authorization.
Why do you think you are being called so much? Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice? No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period. The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past. Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.
Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough. A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists. The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe. Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt. See what they say. A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that. That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason. If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution. In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account. Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.
Bottom line:
If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't. If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't. Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector. Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.
PS--The FBI sent out a Press Release on this scam just last week:
Extortion Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans
Washington, D.C.
December 07, 2010 FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691
? filed under: Press Release
The Internet Crime Complaint Center has received many complaints from victims of payday loan telephone collection scams. Callers claim the victim is delinquent in a payday loan and must repay the loan to avoid legal consequences. The callers purport to be representatives of the FBI, Federal Legislative Department, various law firms, or other legitimate-sounding agencies. They claim to be collecting debts for companies such as United Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Net, and other Internet check-cashing services.
According to complaints received from the public, the callers have accurate data about victims, including Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, employer information, bank account numbers, and the names and telephone numbers of relatives and friends. How the fraudsters obtained the personal information varies, but in some cases victims have reported they completed online applications for other loans or credit cards before the calls started.
The fraudsters relentlessly call the victim?s home, cell phone, and place of employment. They refuse to provide any details about the alleged payday loans and become abusive when questioned. The callers have threatened victims with legal actions, arrests, and, in some cases, physical violence if they do not pay. In many cases, the callers harass victims? relatives, friends, and employers.
Some fraudsters have instructed victims to fax a statement agreeing to pay a certain amount, on a specific date, via a pre-paid Visa card. The statement further declares the victim will never dispute the debt.
If you receive these calls, do not follow the caller?s instructions. Rather, you should:
Notify your banking institutions.
Contact the three major credit bureaus and request an alert be put on your file.
Contact your local law enforcement agencies if you feel you are in immediate danger.
File a complaint at www.IC3.gov.
Tips to avoid becoming a victim of this scam:
Never give your Social Security number?or personal information of any kind?over the telephone or online unless you initiate the contact.
Be suspicious of any e-mail with urgent requests for personal financial information. The e-mail may include upsetting or exciting but false statements to get you to react immediately.
Avoid filling out forms in e-mail messages that request personal information.
Ensure that your browser is up-to-date and security patches have been applied.
Check your bank, credit, and debit card statements regularly to make sure that there are no unauthorized transactions. If anything looks suspicious, contact your bank and all card issuers.
When you contact companies, use numbers provided on the back of cards or statements
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/paydayloanscam_120710
Kudos to "Sam" for giving the most intelligent and informative posts on this scam. READ, Bookmark and use as needed:
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-631-456-4041/2
I have been receiving phone calls from this group since late April / early May of 2010. There is a good chance that they also attempted to contact me roughly two years ago before I entered into Chapter 7 Bankruptcy protection, as I faintly remember hearing the same script more or less.
As others have stated, the callers are difficult to understand. Generally speaking their command of the English language is quite poor and their accents are hard to follow. At times they will get certain words or phrases mixed up. It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they had:
a) Your SSN
b) Your home address
c) Your work address
d) Your banking info
e) Names, numbers and potentially the addresses of "references"
f) A complete and total lack of ethics and a basic understanding of the FDCPA.
I have personally filed reports with the following agencies, often with limited (if any) success:
Local Police
my state's Attorney General's office
FTC
FBI
Secret Service
Generally the local police won't be able to help much. The callers are using a combination of prepaid cell phones and VoIP, making them difficult to trace. Also at their disposal are various spoofing tactics being implemented to catch people off guard - meaning the number that appears on your Caller ID isn't the number that is calling you for starters. Without gaining a subpoena for the billing information for the numbers in question, the local police won't be able to get very far.
My state's Attorney General's office couldn't offer much assistance either. I received a form letter in the mail that my complaint was received and I would be contacted if they needed additional info. It was more or less the same information I obtained from the FTC. They each advised me not to give the individuals over the phone any account information or to authorize payment. That's just common sense, though.
I never got anything from the FBI, either. There is a good chance that since I haven't suffered a monetary loss that my concerns are low on the totem pole. I hate to say this, but that is truly the case. Unless you were in the hole for a $1,000 (or more) you aren't going to get much more than "sorry to hear about your situation, change your phone number and move on". I seemed to get some activity from the Secret Service. I spoke with agent Doug Zloto. (Google him, referencing threads like these plus his name and you'll find his number also) He seemed to care a bit more than the average person, but after giving him access to my Google Voice account, there has been no further activity from him that I'm aware of.
In the meantime I changed the wireless number the fraudsters had access to, they have no direct way to get a hold of me. (Calls at work have ceased for some reason) That in turn resulted in my "references" getting phone calls from the crooks. Here is a word of caution for women that have been getting these calls - don't say anything and just hang up. The callers are quite abusive towards women callers. Why? Possibly the culture. If they are Indian / Pakistani, women are second class citizens there. You will be treated like garbage. This happened to a family member when she was trying her best to be extremely nice over the phone.
The callers currently attempt to reach me through the female family member and an unused Google Voice number that they managed to find of mine. I keep the Google Voice number open because, well, I can't delete it yet. So, about every day, 4-5 times a day for the last week, I get voice messages from them. It's usually just two full messages though - the other calls are broken up with static or they are attempts to read the script until the callers then screw up. Really, they are that adamant on getting the script 100% that they will hang up mid-sentence and call back 30 seconds later.
At this point it's a stalemate with these people.
1) While they have the lion's share of information on us, they can't really do anything with this information.
Why? Think about it.
If they were to ever take funds out of your account without authorization, it's fraud and worse (for them) it is traceable. That's why they won't do anything with your information, contrary to threats they make. The money from your account has to go somewhere, and either your bank or a law enforcement agency can determine where the money was routed. As a bank customer you are protected - you'd get the stolen money back in your account after 7-10 business days and the bank would be temporarily out the funds deducted from your account while they conducted their investigation. The bank, along with law enforcement, would track down the fraudsters and apprehend them. The fraudsters do not want to incur the wrath of a bank, just extort money out of you. Remember that.
Your authorization would absolve the bank from any and all liability, leaving you holding the bag. Never give them authorization for anything - for all you know the call is recorded.
2) We have no information on them.
Seriously, this has been going on at least since 2008, possibly longer than that based on some accounts. (6 years??? Holy crap!) You would think someone would have slipped up by now. Sadly, they haven't. We can continue to grow our own intel on them and compile lists of aliases and phone numbers used, along with paraphrases of scripts used in order to educate other victims. I'm actually putting together a site now in the meantime where I'll host audio files and lists of previous numbers used. 800notes.com is great, but no two calls are exactly the same. It would be nice to have a site dedicated to the scam and how it works.
So that's where I am with these calls. I have suffered no monetary loss, though I have been harassed both at home and at work. They threaten me with arrest and other "fun" things in order to get me convinced I have to pay them. My friends and family have been targeted and local and federal law enforcement agencies haven't been able to put a stop to things. So, it is what it is. I am out a wireless phone number I had for roughly six years, which is terrible since I was using that line when looking for a new job.
Whenever I'm bored I spoof my number using Google Voice and return the calls. I've called them the poster children for birth control, etc. Basically a lot of nasty things that I'm sure the moderators here wouldn't appreciate me repeating - bottom line nothing nice. I always like to close saying their parents must be real proud knowing their sons weren't man enough to get real jobs. That usually gets a decent response.
Way I see it - they can't do anything to me. (Despite a threat yesterday that my life would be f'ed up) They can threaten all they want but my credit is frozen and my bank information has changed. I've changed the only number they could really access me directly on and I've instructed my employer and family to not answer the calls. I just call and harass them now when I find a few extra seconds. What's the worst they can do to me? Charge me with harassment?
Nope, then they would have to identify themselves.
Oh, and don't bother contacting Cashnet USA about the calls. Their "fraud" department could honestly care less. Their "investigation" is merely a means of buerocratic CYA. I would even be surprised at this point if actual law enforcement is involved in any shape, way or form at this time.
There is a good chance that the information these crooks have on us was obtained from Cashnet USA - either from a database leak or from a collector that was once authorized by Cashnet to call on delinquent customers. The other chance is they have access to Teletrack, and pulled all of our information off of there.
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-646-274-1143/3
For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan. The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:
United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)
You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse. In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt. Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.
Who are they?
In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:
David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida 33150
(Address is likely invalid)
The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates. Here are some links on them:
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf
They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations. They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.
The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:
Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone: 800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)
There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:
Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml
Kansas:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html
Colorado:
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig
Rhode Island:
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html
West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm
Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.
"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit. The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.
Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives. Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."
Bottom line:
Do not supply the callers with any additional information. Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up. If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond. Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.
If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:
* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you. The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example. Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.
* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site. People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.
* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.
How to protect yourself:
* Inform your employer. You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously. Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work. If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received. Save voice mails left if at all possible.
* Change your number(s). For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.
Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted. Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.
* Use Google Voice. Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use. Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.
Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers. Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script. At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up. They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number. At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again. (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)
The scammers change their numbers frequently. Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online. With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement. Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.
1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870
1-831-607-9214
1-972-674-3753
1-646-918-5211
1-206-202-4942
1-206-337-7992
1-206-339-8218
1-561-318-0446
1-585-250-8090
1-347-827-0921
1-607-398-0725
1-909-233-7338
1-888-610-5486
1-585-861-9940
1-909-233-7338
1-646-416-9016
1-805-262-6170
1-661-270-6724
1-561-705-0140
1-310-807-0220
1-347-637-6473
1-951-582-4832
1-909-503-0682
1-818-579-7691
1-347-321-6497
1-206-629-9392
So can they really do anything to you?
It's not a simple yes or no answer. Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.
So, why haven't they?
Authorization.
Why do you think you are being called so much? Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice? No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period. The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past. Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.
Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough. A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists. The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe. Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt. See what they say. A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that. That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason. If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution. In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account. Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.
Bottom line:
If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't. If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't. Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector. Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.
PS--The FBI sent out a Press Release on this scam just last week:
Extortion Scam Related to Delinquent Payday Loans
Washington, D.C.
December 07, 2010 FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691
? filed under: Press Release
The Internet Crime Complaint Center has received many complaints from victims of payday loan telephone collection scams. Callers claim the victim is delinquent in a payday loan and must repay the loan to avoid legal consequences. The callers purport to be representatives of the FBI, Federal Legislative Department, various law firms, or other legitimate-sounding agencies. They claim to be collecting debts for companies such as United Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Advance, U.S. Cash Net, and other Internet check-cashing services.
According to complaints received from the public, the callers have accurate data about victims, including Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, employer information, bank account numbers, and the names and telephone numbers of relatives and friends. How the fraudsters obtained the personal information varies, but in some cases victims have reported they completed online applications for other loans or credit cards before the calls started.
The fraudsters relentlessly call the victim?s home, cell phone, and place of employment. They refuse to provide any details about the alleged payday loans and become abusive when questioned. The callers have threatened victims with legal actions, arrests, and, in some cases, physical violence if they do not pay. In many cases, the callers harass victims? relatives, friends, and employers.
Some fraudsters have instructed victims to fax a statement agreeing to pay a certain amount, on a specific date, via a pre-paid Visa card. The statement further declares the victim will never dispute the debt.
If you receive these calls, do not follow the caller?s instructions. Rather, you should:
Notify your banking institutions.
Contact the three major credit bureaus and request an alert be put on your file.
Contact your local law enforcement agencies if you feel you are in immediate danger.
File a complaint at www.IC3.gov.
Tips to avoid becoming a victim of this scam:
Never give your Social Security number?or personal information of any kind?over the telephone or online unless you initiate the contact.
Be suspicious of any e-mail with urgent requests for personal financial information. The e-mail may include upsetting or exciting but false statements to get you to react immediately.
Avoid filling out forms in e-mail messages that request personal information.
Ensure that your browser is up-to-date and security patches have been applied.
Check your bank, credit, and debit card statements regularly to make sure that there are no unauthorized transactions. If anything looks suspicious, contact your bank and all card issuers.
When you contact companies, use numbers provided on the back of cards or statements
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/paydayloanscam_120710
| Allen 2011-08-03 23:52:56 Unknown |
I just got called by this number. They have just called me 6 times within the last 10 minutes.
| gtf 2011-08-02 14:33:04 Unknown |
everybody, just ignore these calls these people are just lying but how they get all of our information idk and its really creepy how they say your social security number and even your bank account number like these people really need to go to jail because they are invading your privacy just to get money! they are terrorists all they want is our money and revenge towards the united states please report this to the police immediately so enough of us can make these people go to jail! they are putting so much stress on us getting us worried that we owe money when we really dont and even threatning us that we are going to lose our Jobs, spread the word to your family friends and loved ones so they wouldt be worried incase they call them!
| taye d 2011-08-02 07:12:06 Unknown |
These people called me saying a law suit was against me! When I asked for what they began to ramble! The so called supervisor is mark! I was wanting to know if they can use my information like my social and bank account
| These People need to go to jail ! 2011-08-01 20:55:56 Unknown |
These people called me today to my job, told me that if I didn't pay the amount of $1,254 they were going to report me to a legal attorny and that I was going to lose my job! I would ask them where they called from and they said that it was a company from the government called Cash Advance USA. I would ask them questions and when I wanted to talk they said that I needed to be quiet if I wanted help, and they were so RUDE !! they couldn't even speak English, it sounded like broken English, the guys name was Mark Jones, and the other guys name was John , how are you going to be Indian or from Pakistan and say your name is John, that makes no sense! I was so worried cause they said I was going to go to jail and that the police was gonna go to my house and take me to jail, I couldn't even concentrate at work, it was horrible, what can I do to make it stop? I live in Maryland, what can I do? Who can I call?
| dom 2011-07-29 22:26:33 Unknown |
I got the same call. They have my social security number, bank account number, and other info. I called my bank and notified my credit bureau. Can they actually use my information to do any further harm? As far as I know now, they haven't used any of the information other than to harass me and say I have to be in court in Seattle, WA. I live in Cali...yeah right. Is there anything else I should do?
| Di 2011-07-25 19:20:46 Unknown |
I have received the same type of call. The guys name was Dominic and the supervisor is Mark Jones.
Tried scaring me wanting to verify my information and wanting my attorneys information. He became very upset when I told him I was recording our conversation and I would wait to be served. He started threatning me and was getting meaner when I started to mock him. Now he is calling my work leaving the same message he was leaving on my cell. Till this day...I havent received any papers and only keep getting his annoying voice mails.
Tried scaring me wanting to verify my information and wanting my attorneys information. He became very upset when I told him I was recording our conversation and I would wait to be served. He started threatning me and was getting meaner when I started to mock him. Now he is calling my work leaving the same message he was leaving on my cell. Till this day...I havent received any papers and only keep getting his annoying voice mails.
| Kobesmom 2011-07-21 18:16:05 Unknown |
These People have been calling my phone all day telling me I owe 368.70 to a cash place and i have never gotten a loan from a cash place, they threatened me and told me that i would go to jail in 48 hours and be behind bars if i did not pay which cannot happen. I called the police and they told me that it was a scam and this has been happening to ppl for a long time. They told me i had until two o'clock today to pay them or i was going to "be in trouble" At two o'clock when i called back and confronted them about it they kept hanging up on me and wouldnt talk to me..the guy was mumbling and not anwsering any of my questions that i had..its funny that when i told him i knew they were a scam, they didnt anwser my calls and kept picking it up and hanging up right away and didnt want my money anymore..haha. It really had me scared to i thought someone had got a loan in my name or something. Anyways thats my story. THEY ARE SCAMMERS.
| Jessica 2011-07-21 13:38:18 Unknown |
They called and left me 3 voicemails in one day. And I have never taken out a pay day loan these people are scammers. Not to mention the person on the other end of the phone could barly speak proper english
| steve 2011-07-20 23:59:08 Unknown |
yes almost they did when they read the last of my account number but i went to my bank and closed that account and opened a new one
| steve 2011-07-20 23:56:11 Unknown |
i recieved a phone call from same dude named dominic at 206-629-9392 saying he has a suit and being sued by cash advance usa but i know all the loans ive had in past is paid the hell off and he trying to tell me il b arrested and that if i need to keep out of court to pay bill and how was i gonna pay it i told him my s*** is paid off and i have proof but i didnt tell him to f*** off but i wanted too
| frank 2011-07-18 14:18:06 Unknown |
No they will not do anything. Trust me they are scammers. They just want money. Donot worry they are SCAMMERS
| Serene 2011-07-15 23:34:42 Unknown |
I just got the same call from a different # 818-920-8647. Same message different name of person calling, different law firm and different loan place. When I told them they tried to get me the other day and I started to tell them I went to the police the hung up.
| pearl 2011-07-15 16:49:33 Unknown |
they call me and said i got money two years ago and when i asked guestions because i could not understand. but i reported to fbi
| george 2011-07-15 16:44:37 Unknown |
Mr. Nelson u hve been scamed over this issue
| michelle 2011-07-15 16:43:12 Unknown |
Avoid them
| JJ 2011-07-15 16:42:29 Unknown |
No they will not do dat
coz thet are scammers
coz thet are scammers
| JJ 2011-07-15 16:41:34 Unknown |
Dnt pae them they are scam
| alice 2011-07-15 13:56:25 Unknown |
they started stalking my phone at 6:00am this morning. Saying I owe a payday loan. In whch I had taken one out but paid back in full. these people saying the cops are coming to my house and I a getting arrested.
they are nuts and scam artists
they are nuts and scam artists
| Srh 2011-07-13 20:41:29 Unknown |
Have they taken money out of anyones account..
| lac 2011-07-13 20:34:18 Unknown |
Someone by the name of Kim taylor called me saying this is a legeal matter and I needed to contact them as soon as possible . If I dont good luck and god bless me. these people are stupid
| lac 2011-07-13 20:31:56 Debt Collector |
did this company ever take money out of anyones account
| Serene 2011-07-12 19:54:27 Unknown |
They called me today. Said the same things about a payday loan. They used kinda the same names. Anthony Jones and supervisor Dominic. They were so mean and would not give me any REAL info. They would not provide me with any names of people to contact or the lawyers name the worked for. I called King County Wachington Courts and they had to law suites in my name. Plus if you are being suied they have to serve you with papers via a member of the court or police officer giving them to you. I called them back so many time they blocked my number. This is a SCAM do not give them any info over the phone and do not pat them any money. I reported them to the police for fraud but not much they could do.
| lita burrage 2011-07-08 18:27:39 Debt Collector |
i got a call from my work as well stating the same thing that i would go to jail. I don't even know who these people are with and i never done any payday loans. please be careful to these idiots. Besides that i didn't understand anything hardly as well.
| shekina watkins 2011-07-07 17:02:39 Unknown |
These people are crazy and very rude.They kept calling my phone back to back until I answered.Then they threaten me about losing my job and going to jail
| cc 2011-07-07 15:31:08 Unknown |
i just got the sme call and they called my job and left a message with my employer... Domnic Jones told me that I was going go to jail if i didn't pay 1100.00. then he said he can break the payments up into three. It didn't sound right so I asked what law firm he was from and he said Davis and Associate.I look that up and didn't find anyting to that name to match the number. I also had to right a letter to of authorization as well to recive the money.... Please becareful!!!!
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