717-584-0484
PA, US
Tom
Tom
2011-06-06 20:55:36
Unknown
Called and said to call them back as there is a legal matter with my name and social security number.  If they do not hear from me, they wished me good luck and have a good day.  Identify themselves working for a law firm, but cannot understand them.
Kevin
Kevin
2010-10-25 03:22:54
Debt Collector
Dont believe them it's all a scam. I usually play along then ask them their name. Have you ever known a "Daniel Cruz" to be Indian? I told him he was full of it and be started yelling at me and cursing me out. Told him I'm in the Army and he just kept running his mouth. Now me and my entire platoon call them every day to harass them it's so funny. They get so mad and flustered. It's great. Don't believe these people it's all bullcrap. Just keep calling them and the calls will stop. I have to block my # now or else they don't answer. I love it!
7175840484
7175840484
2010-10-14 21:49:23
Unknown
I just got a call from this number and when I asked the man for his information he said he would give it to me after I made a payment?????....Yeah right NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!
The Saint
The Saint
2010-10-13 14:21:38
Unknown
For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan.  The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:

United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)

You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse.  In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt.  Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.  

Who are they?

In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:

David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida  33150
(Address is likely invalid)

The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates.  Here are some links on them:

http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf

They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations.  They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.  

The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:

Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone:  800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)

There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:

Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml

Kansas:  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html

Colorado:  
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig

Rhode Island:  
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html

West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm

Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.  

"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit.  The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.

Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives.  Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."

Bottom line:

Do not supply the callers with any additional information.  Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up.  If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond.  Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.  

If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.  
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:

* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you.  The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example.  Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.

* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site.  People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.  

* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.  


How to protect yourself:

* Inform your employer.  You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously.  Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work.  If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received.  Save voice mails left if at all possible.  

* Change your number(s).  For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.

Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted.  Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.

* Use Google Voice.  Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use.  Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.  

Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers.  Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script.  At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up.  They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number.  At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again.  (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)

The scammers change their numbers frequently.  Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online.  With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.  Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.

1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870

So can they really do anything to you?

It's not a simple yes or no answer.  Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.  

So, why haven't they?  

Authorization.  

Why do you think you are being called so much?  Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice?  No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period.  The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past.  Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.

Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough.  A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists.  The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe.  Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt.  See what they say.  A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that.  That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason.  If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution.  In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account.  Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.  

Bottom line:

If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't.  If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't.  Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector.  Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.

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CHRIS
CHRIS
2010-10-13 14:12:05
Unknown
They are scammers. They call every month or so saying that a i owe money for a payday loan, they have all my info which is scary but i keep telling them to google there own phone number. and then he curses at you. They call from different numbers so your never sure if its them or not. I just keep calling them back and cursing at them like they do to me. its pretty entertaining. Something seriously needs to be done about this though, its getting very old,
Kris
Kris
2010-10-12 13:50:06
Debt Collector
They called my cell phone this morning looking for my sister.  Good grief.
SueLynn
SueLynn
2010-10-11 23:07:45
Debt Collector
I just got several calls from this number, he called my work & my cell phone. Telling me he was calling regarding a pay day loan from like 3 years ago or something. His accent was so heavy I could barely understand what he was saying. He had all of my information, my old bank name, my address, everything. I tried to press for details & he kept screaming at me, telling me I had no idea who I was messing with & that I owe money and they will collect it by whatever means necessary. I asked several times to whom I owed money to & he never answered my questions, just told me shut up & continued to scream at me. I contacted my local police department & they will be researching this phone number.
Moe
Moe
2010-10-11 13:08:59
Debt Collector
My grandmother got a call from this number and the heavy accented man said his name is John Cooper. She is so upset. I believe it's a scam trying to get her account numbers. He said that it was about my aunt and she was listed as the first referrence. I told her not to answer if she doesn't recognize the number. The first call was a message so I have saved and listened to it several times and can't understand most of what's said.
Elizabeth Haynes
Elizabeth Haynes
2010-10-08 23:52:33
Debt Collector
Liz
PEGGY SMITH
PEGGY SMITH
2010-10-08 23:47:56
Unknown
WILL NOT RESPOND UNLESS THEY TELL ME WHO THEY ARE. GENTLEMAN HAS ACCENT SO HEAAVY YOU CANT UNDERSTAND HIM HAVE A HUNCH ITS A SCAM
CB
CB
2010-10-08 18:42:58
Debt Collector
Caller said his name was Tiger Taylor.  Call concerned a legal matter.  This guy has contacted me before using the phone number 412-253-6575 and now this number 717-584-0484.  I feel like I have been someone's big laugh... No more a co-worker reminder me of the Federal, Debt, Collections, Practice, Act Rules...
saphdros
saphdros
2010-10-07 21:57:22
Debt Collector
End Station:
   (717) 584-0484
Provider:
   Choice One Communications Inc - Pa
DBA/Holding:
   One Communications/One Communications Corporation
General Location:
   Millersville, PA - Lancaster County
Zip Codes Covered:
   17551, 17603, 17504
OCN/CLLI:
   4024/HRBGPACTDS0
Pre-portability type:
   Mixed
I filed a complaint with Choice One Communications.  Maybe they will attempt to do something.
Tell the people that there are more than one person with that name in the household and ask them which one they want to speak to and they will hang up. Although I was not lying to him.
kim rainey
kim rainey
2010-10-07 17:20:35
Debt Collector
stated call him he is from american legal and he called my work
Carmel
Carmel
2010-10-06 19:16:35
Debt Collector
thanks   they called me too...
Doug
Doug
2010-09-28 00:55:56
Unknown
Jason Scott with heavy foreign acsent stating he was with American Legal Processing Division concerning a law suit?  Wanted me to call back.
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