847-666-5181
IL, US
Jake
Jake
2011-06-06 21:00:26
Unknown
I received a call from this number and they asked for my wife. When I asked who it was and what this was pertaining to they hung up on me. Very suspicious. I called back and there was no answer.
L
L
2010-09-11 17:23:30
Unknown
A TOTAL SCAM!!!!      I have received numerous calls from 847 666 5181.  Tthey call from 8:30 am to 9 at night.  Some guy with an Indian/Middle Eastern accent informs me that my car loan has been approved. I think he called his "company" USA Auto Finance.    I told him that i haven't applied for a car loan in years and ask him where did he get my information from.  He says to me "Do you want a car loan or not".....OMG, i gave him an earful right before he hung up on me.  Unfortunately, when you call the number back , you get a recorded message that your call can't be conneected.   I called my cell phone carrier and they couldn't do anything...i feel totally helpless in trying to prevent these calls.
Jack Charlotte, NC
Jack Charlotte, NC
2010-09-09 16:05:39
Unknown
Hey I'll help you kick some butt! Somebody needs to shut them down!
Jack Charlotte, NC
Jack Charlotte, NC
2010-09-09 16:02:49
Telemarketer
I've now received 7 calls from this #, and the callers are obviously calling from another country, poor English, you can hear what sounds like a room full of other callers making the same pitch... I've told them I'm not interested, the second time I just hung up. I now have them logged on my cell phone as a DNA caller (Do Not Answer). I can now track how many times they call. Whatever happen to enforcing the DO NOT CALL LIST.... especially cell phones!
Emanuel
Emanuel
2010-09-09 15:20:45
Unknown
These b*****ds need to stop harrasing people. You cant understand what they are saying and they are persistant in trying to make you take their offers. They need to be stopped.
Jake
Jake
2010-09-08 17:15:05
Unknown
I received several calls from this number. The first one they asked for my wife and when  I asked who it was and what this was pertaining to they hung up on me. I called back and there was no answer and was eventually disconnected.
The SECOND call cam in about an hour later and it was another East Indian fellow asking for my wife again. I then asked who this was and that they already had called and hung up on me. He then became rude and said "so what" repeatedly as I was explaining that I was on the National Do Not Call List. I told him that I was going to report the number and he said "go right ahead *sshole". At that point I hung up.

I do not know who these utterly rude and annoying people are, but they need to be stopped and fined or put in jail.
The Saint
The Saint
2010-08-22 00:28:48
Unknown
For at least the last four years, possibly longer, a group has been calling former payday loan applicants advising them that they have defrauded a bank and are now being sued for non-payment of a loan.  The callers will claim to be calling on behalf of an attorney's office (name varies), the Dept. of Law and Investigation, ACS, or other similar combinations below:

United Legal Processing Division
Midline Marketing
Crime Monitoring Services
Monetary Crime Division
U.S. National Bank
Attorney General?s Office (usually in California)
American Legal Services
Affidavit Consolidation Services (ACS)

You will be threatened with arrest, a costly trial and possibly worse.  In no shape, way or form can you be arrested for non-payment on a consumer debt.  Do not believe these threats, as they are without merit and cannot be carried out in the manner they allege.  

Who are they?

In the past when pressed by law enforcement for an address, the callers have provided the following information:

David Morgan and Associates
Morgan & Associates
Morgan Associates
954-727-8481
1155 Northwest 85th Street
Wintergarden, Florida  33150
(Address is likely invalid)

The collector's MO matches a once legit collections agency called Ellis Crosby & Associates.  Here are some links on them:

http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/ellis_crosby_and_associates.htm
http://www.budhibbs.com/collectorpages/EllisCrosbyJudgment.pdf

They have been previously fined over $1.3 million for various violations.  They have been known to use phone banks in India to make their calls, which more or less coincides with the difficult to understand accent many of us detect when we are contacted.  

The last time this group went by any "official" name was back in 2008:

Ellis Crosby & Associates / Douglas & Morgan Associates
4494 Southside Boulevard Suite #200
Jacksonville Florida 32216
Phone:  800-928-3536 / (904) 928-3536
(Address is likely invalid)

There are NUMEROUS consumer alerts out against this group of individuals:

Florida:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061107/met_176207561.shtml

Kansas:  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/01/ks_debt_collection.html

Colorado:  
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/press/ ... lls_likely_orig

Rhode Island:  
http://www.collectionscreditrisk.com/news/rho ... -3002135-1.html

West Virginia:
http://www.wvago.gov/internetloanscam.cfm

Missouri:
On July 15th, 2010 a Public Awareness Bulletin was sent out by Missouri Information Analysis Center.  

"..received reports from individuals in Ohio and Illinois reference suspicious telephone calls they received. In both instances, the callers are reporting that a voicemail is received from a man, with a Middle Eastern accent, identifying himself as an officer working with the Financial Crimes Unit.  The message indicates that the reason for the call concerns a loan made by the receiver or someone in the receiver's family. The voicemail requests that a return call be made and a telephone number is provided. When a return call is made, the caller is asked to provide personal identifying information such as their date of birth and social security number.

Reports indicate that the calls are frequent and persistent and that they even threaten arrest or legal action if information or money is not provided. It appears that the individuals making these calls may have access to some records connecting individuals and their relatives.  Missouri does not have a Financial Crimes Unit and all indications are that this is a fictitious agency. If you receive a similar phone call, please be advised that it is a scam and please contact your local law enforcement agency or the Missouri Information Analysis Center at 866-362-6422."

Bottom line:

Do not supply the callers with any additional information.  Inform them you have reported them to law enforcement and hang up.  If you haven't already, go ahead and report the calls to local law enforcement, your state's Attorney General and beyond.  Look up the local Secret Service branch's information in your area and get in contact with an agent there.  

If you ever applied for a cash advance online, your information is out there.  
Possible sources for the breach of your privacy are:

* The scammers obtained your information from Teletrack - a reporting agency used by many cash advance lenders to determine their risk lending to you.  The service is able to tell cash advance lenders if you have existing loans with other companies, for example.  Many state laws prohibit borrowers from having more than two cash advances out at the same time.

* The scammers created their own fake payday loan application site.  People looking for a cash advance went to the site and applied, thus freely providing the scammers with their information for malicious use at a later time.  

* The scammers were able to get into the database(s) of cash advance lenders - probable targets being Sonic Payday and Cashnet USA.  


How to protect yourself:

* Inform your employer.  You are likely getting calls at home and/or at work, so make sure your employer is aware the calls are part of a scam and to not take them seriously.  Advise the callers that they are no longer allowed to call you at work.  If they continue to call, document the date and time of the calls you received.  Save voice mails left if at all possible.  

* Change your number(s).  For some this may not be an option, for others a one-time number change can be done free of charge.

Be advised - any references you listed on your payday loan application will be contacted.  Let those people know that this is a scam, and they can disregard.

* Use Google Voice.  Google Voice is a great replacement voice mail system for just about any phone number you use.  Messages can be transcribed and voice mail recordings can be saved as mp3 files.  

Pro Tip - call the scammers with a Google Voice number before turning off your old phone numbers.  Make sure when you call you identify yourself so they can start up their script.  At any point after they have your information pulled up just hang up.  They will then start religiously calling your Google Voice number.  At this point, you are free to change your regular phone number(s) and enjoy not having these people ever call you again.  (And laugh at the fact these people are basically talking to a brick wall several times a day)

The scammers change their numbers frequently.  Law enforcement used to think it was because the callers ran out of minutes on their prepaid wireless accounts or they were shuttered due to fraud, but now they understand it's simply to evade detection by savvy consumers online.  With the proliferation of VoIP, it's even easier for the crooks to stay a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.  Below is just a sampling of the 30+ numbers that have been used in recent memory.

1-201-244-7722
1-209-349-7382
1-209-797-2212
1-212-500-0839
1-213-256-0408
1-213-995-3039
1-281-763-0433
1-347-289-3902
1-347-844-6817
1-347-844-6831
1-424-354-4270
1-516-232-8905
1-516-232-8935
1-518-212-0219
1-561-300-8018
1-561-210-4185
1-626-200-4646
1-631-456-4041
1-646-274-1143
1-646-810-8635
1-650-241-4604
1-707-401-4056
1-707-633-2789
1-708-401-0535
1-716-442-2824
1-717-862-4080
1-718-705-8669
1-760-514-0132
1-760-563-5384
1-772-318-4938
1-850-201-1111
1-858-777-1977
1-859-908-2281
1-866-860-4509
1-877-226-7488
1-888-706-7463
1-888-771-9249
1-888-785-4479
1-909-327-4870

So can they really do anything to you?

It's not a simple yes or no answer.  Logic dictates that, if they really wanted to take you for a ride and drain your bank accounts, they already would have.  

So, why haven't they?  

Authorization.  

Why do you think you are being called so much?  Perhaps it is because they like the sound of your voice?  No, they have to have your authorization to take any form of payment from you, period.  The callers know their audience, and that audience is typically a bunch of people that have applied for payday loans in the past.  Most of those people they call couldn't afford an attorney if they wanted one, and are so used to receiving collections calls that so long as they sound like a real collector, they will likely be perceived as one.

Furthermore, they don't even really want to talk to your attorney - that just sounds official and scary enough.  A real attorney would take the callers to task and write them off as two-bit con artists.  The callers need you, in writing, to authorize payment against the fictitious debt they claim you owe.  Go ahead, ask them for proof you owe the debt - more commonly known as verification of debt.  See what they say.  A phone authorization carries very little weight, so if they have something signed by you on file, you are done for - and the callers know that.  That authorization is the only thing these callers are doing by the book, and for good reason.  If they just went all willy nilly and made an ACH debit from your checking account, without your written approval, you could in turn report the transaction as fraudulent to your financial institution.  In about 7-10 business days, you would get the funds returned to your account.  Then the scammers would be up against a bank and their team of lawyers and investigators.  

Bottom line:

If you haven't paid the callers a dime, don't.  If you planned on paying them to shut them up, just don't.  Remember - you are not being contacted by a legally licensed, ethically owned and operated collector.  Read up on the FDCPA - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf - and know your rights.

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Annoyed
Annoyed
2010-08-22 00:10:06
Debt Collector
Received calls from an India dialogued individuals who try to scam money out of me. They were claiming that I owe X amount of dollars for a pay day loan and that they were from the Federal Burreau of Investigation for fraudulent check writing on a closed account. I had to let them know that it was against the law to call me on my job and not unless they can produce evidence not to call me again.  They wait for a week or two and try calling again with a different person applying the same tactics.  They will tell you that you need to pay first and then they will produce the information.  They will also tell you they know your court house information and will have to taken to court.  I wish they would so that I can show them as the scam artist they are.
pissed off husband
pissed off husband
2010-08-21 01:45:40
Telemarketer
my wife got a call this evening from this # on August 19, 2010.  She was told that they were calling about a follow up on a car loan app. she submitted.  She told them that she had not request any car loan and that she had been getting other calls from other #s in Cali. and Fla. he said that they were not the same company and started to proceed on with his sales speech.  She  told him again she was not interested take her name of the list, he ask her what she was interested in, she said excuse me, he said do you want some dick she didn't think she heard him right because he had an east indian accent so she ask him to repeat what he said he replied do you want some dick you know some D I C K (spelling it out for her) she handed me the phone telling me what he said And he try changing his voice to sound like a girl they I proceed in my best American  Southern Country Boy Voice told him where he could stick that dick up his a**  he cused back at me and said that I must be an African American I told him there was nothing wrong with them they dont at like you and told him that if he didnt want this 6ft 360lb white cornfed country boy to come to Illioius and hunt him down he better not call back.
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